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 Posted 09/28/2011  10:36 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add LTMets44 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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but what if you used the profit from the 6 that you sold, to go and buy a bonus one?


True, Bonus coins are always good! =)
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 Posted 09/28/2011  11:30 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add hesgut to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I think silver will go up and down, then up and down right around 30...for a while....until the holiday season when it gets it's boost. Every time it approaches 30, half of "us" get scared and sell off, and then the other half waits until it get there then buys. I've just about had it with silver to be honest....I hope it goes to $7/oz, so I won't have to hear about its hype anymore.
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 Posted 09/29/2011  10:07 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add nod2003 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
If by "us" you mean people who deal in 10,000 toz at a time of paper silver. We who deal with the physical are something like 1%.
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 Posted 09/29/2011  10:13 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add angel2004 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
And the physical market is fine. I wish all the paper 'sales' were not allowed and silver gold and many other commodities would reflect true value. The derivative market has really helped destroy our economy
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 Posted 09/29/2011  2:14 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add hesgut to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Yes, I am not upset at those who are buying 2 ASE at the coin shop. Bigshots dealing in massive paper sales have indeed destroyed commodities and have contributed to the issues with the economy, although as far as the later, there are much greater concerns
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 Posted 09/29/2011  3:30 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add biggfredd to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It's the same as SAHM picking up a couple of hot toys to flip on ebay and have a few extra bucks for hohoho. Then you get the warrior wannabe who puts the entire store's inventory on layaway, buying them as they sell.

So now you have places like Maul-Wart not allowing layaway at all.
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 Posted 09/29/2011  4:03 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jmkendall to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
As far as commodities there is a huge disconnect between the sellers of the commodities and the eventual customer. I have a lot of friends and family that raise cattle, the difference between what they sell it for and what it reaches the market at, is remarkable. Same thing with Milk, and grains.

The only one that makes any real money are the brokers, who make huge profits while never touching their commodity. Meanwhile the prices keep going up for the rest of us.
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 Posted 09/29/2011  4:19 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add angel2004 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Yes and that's a reason I buy from a local coin shop or the mint. I don't like the online brokers for myself for a few reasons such as delivery co. Involved, charge for del (some) wire trans or overnight check plus you don't see it upon purchase.
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 Posted 09/29/2011  6:47 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add GTALLEN to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I prefer the local dealers when they really want to sell. I sometimes get a good discount. But, often ebay sellers beat them. Two things I get from the mint and I feel like I have been ripped off everytime. I get 3 Proof SAEs and the yearly Silver Proof Set.
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 Posted 09/30/2011  12:43 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ed_B to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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The derivative market has really helped destroy our economy

It has played a major part in it for sure. When a derivative blows up, it tends to be quite spectacular. In a lot of cases, it is only then that the people running the company appreciate the true magnitude of the risk that they have taken. In some cases, they have literally bet the company that their market guess on this or that is correct.
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 Posted 09/30/2011  10:01 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add nod2003 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
And it doesn't help when the government just gives them money to do it again instead of letting them fail as they should. Terrible moral hazard that is going to be with this country for a long time.
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 Posted 09/30/2011  10:19 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add biggfredd to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Anyone remember the gubmint supporting gold and silver prices in 1980, so all the buyers wouldn't go out of biz?
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And it doesn't help when the government just gives them money to do it again instead of letting them fail as they should. Terrible moral hazard that is going to be with this country for a long time.

, Nod.

This is a TERRIBLE message to send. Telling people that it is OK to be stupid in how they operate their business because the US tax-payers will cover any losses they have but not share in the profits from any wins they have... other than via taxes, of course... is idiotic. Poorly run companies should not only be allowed to fail, they should be encouraged to do so. We have a superb bankruptcy system. Let it work! Others will step up and buy the assets of most any failed company, put them to better use, and grow the economy instead of flailing around, losing money, time, and jobs. It shouldn't be a big secret but this is how capitalism trims its dead wood. The government version of this is to convert a nice productive orchard to all dead wood... at someone else's expense, of course.
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 Posted 09/30/2011  6:10 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add angel2004 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
So what is everyone doing now holding out for a lower price or buying?
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 Posted 10/02/2011  02:01 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add GTALLEN to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Angel, I am picking up mostly coins to finish out albums while the physical price is down. However, it continues to be difficult to pick up any value buys.

Physical buys still seem hard to come by without a higher premium than I am willing to pay. There still seems to be a few picks on junk if you hunt them.

If you are looking at the investment side I would look at some of the November calls and a cover with low cost December puts if we see a rebound of prior price levels. With the raised margin on PM it made for a tricky market, in my opinion. Just be careful if you are buying on margins.
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