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Is My "Numis Strategy" Safe, Or A Mistake?

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 Posted 09/23/2011  7:45 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add stevex6 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
I have most of my quarters stored in plastic "Numis" sleeves, that slide into plastic "Numis" pages, which are housed in (you guessed it) "Numis" albums ... I do this so that I can have multiple coins for a particular year, rather than plugging my coins into the pre-assigned empty labelled holes of some of the other competitor's albums ...

But honestly, I have zero idea whether "Numis" materials are high quality materials, or whether I am sentencing my coins to a slow and painful corrosive death? (is my "Numis" method going to give my coins a healthy future?)
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 Posted 09/24/2011  12:02 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SsuperDdave to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
What's a "Numis" material? Never heard of it. Is it a brand?
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Thanks for responding, SuperDave ...

Yes, it's merely a brand of coin collecting plastic sleeves ... I guess I'm "assuming" that a company that makes coin collecting supplies knows enough to make them out of quality materials, but I was hoping for a wee bit of reassurance (but the fact that you haven't even heard of the supply maker's name, leaves me feeling a little bit rattled) ...

Maybe the real question should have been => "Is it okay to leave my coins in plastic sleeves for their remaining lives?"
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 Posted 09/24/2011  06:50 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add thai-vic to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Is it a brand under the Lighthouse manufacturing name?
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Try googling this => numiscoinalbumsandbinders.shtml

... sorry, but again the real question should have been:

"Is it okay to store my coins in plastic sleeves for long periods of time?" (ie. my lifetime)
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 Posted 09/24/2011  09:37 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SsuperDdave to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
To answer your root question: Properly-formulated, clear plastic holders are safe for long-term storage. I worry a bit about some of the descriptions I saw for Numis stuff, though; they describe it as Mylar inner (good) with "vinyl" outer covering (maybe not so good).

You should inquire as to whether that outside "vinyl" contains PVC.
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Okay, thanks ...

... curious, what does PVC do to coins?
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Odd but I too have never heard of that company. Odd too that of all the coin stores and coin shows I go to, I've never even seen one of their products nor heard anyone mention them there or here.
Yet when I go to their web site, they really carry a lot of products. From a fast glance at their inverntory it does appear they know what they are doing so I'd guess, all their products are safe for coins. Note I said Guess.
Since a Canadian company it would be advantageous to hear from someone from Canada that uses their items.
There are 4 separate Canadian forums here so I wonder if this was posted in one of those there would be more authoratative replys.
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curious, what does PVC do to coins?


Polyvinyl Chloride along with other plasticizers are additives to plastics which make them softer and more pliable. Think of the smell of a brand-new shower curtain - that's PVC. They degrade over time, releasing hydrochloric acid among other nasty things.

Not real good for coins to be bathed in hydrochloric acid, y'know?

Furthermore, once started, the reaction is taking place on the coin's surface and removing it from the offending container will not stop the process. Acetone will, absolutely, which is why you hear it discussed as a conservation agent here on the forum. What acetone won't do is reverse damage already done to the coin.

So you want coin flips, even the cardboard ones with the cutout windows, to use mylar or other PVC-free plastics. Let no PVC come anywhere near a coin.

None of this is a *permanent* solution. Keep in mind, allowing any oxygen at all to come into contact with a coin raises the possibility of some sort of eventual oxidation, especially in combination with the chemicals found in the (more or less) polluted air we breathe every day. The only truly safe way to store coins is in a zero-humidity vaccuum - everything else is a risk in one proportion or another.

Archival-quality flips, hard plastic cases, and the best-possible control over humidity can mitigate the risk to an extent which should satisfy all but the most obsessive collectors.
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Thanks guys ... PVC = bad

I guess if I use my OCD-powers to my advantage, at least I will be looking at all of my coins every day, so hopefully I'll detect if anything detrimental is happening to my lil' round buddies.
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 Posted 09/24/2011  11:19 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DBM to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Numismaster albums are almost identical to Gardmaster albums for Canadian coins
I have some and have had no problem,but still won't put my best sets in them
The slides are mylar,the pages vinyl"with softening agents removed",no statement that the pages are"PVC free"
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I guess if I use my OCD-powers to my advantage, at least I will be looking at all of my coins every day, so hopefully I'll detect if anything detrimental is happening to my lil' round buddies.




I think that's a common trait amongst coin collectors.
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Polyvinyl Chloride along with other plasticizers are additives to plastics which make them softer and more pliable.

PVC is NOT a plasticizer. PVC is a hard, brittle often opaque plastic that requires the addition of plasticizer to make it pliable. PVC by itself is fairly benign. The plasticizer by itself is harmless. The problem comes from the two togehter. As PVC ages it degrades and gives off Hydrogen Chloride gas. The plasticizer will absorb this. It also absorbs water vapor from the air. The water vapor and the gas combine to create Hydrochloric acid which the plasticizer then holds in contact with the surface of the coin where it usually attacks the copper in the alloy creating Copper chloride which is green in color. This is why the "PVC residue" is sometimes referred to as "green slime".
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Hydrochloric acid => how terrifying! (I may be storing my babies in Hydrochloric acid!) ...

Well luckily, I've had an album full of pennies survive for the past 40 years, so that album must be okay ... but I guess I'll have to keep an eye on my Numis albums "from time to time" to ensure that things are going okay (or, I guess I could dig a little bit deeper into whether their products are PVC free) ...

Thanks for your help
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