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Valued Member
United States
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Hello all, I have been cherry picking bank rolls for a while after picking up the CherryPickers Guide (both volumes) Anyway, I have found a few goodies, most RPMs and such. While looking for State Quarter errors I did find a low leaf variety Wisconsin quarter, which I sent to NGC (MS 64!) Well I found a Wyoming quarter which I believe has a DDR, but not in the same place as the ones I've been seeing...most of the double dies I see are involving the saddle horn/mane. This one is to the East of the tail, the tail doubles. I have tried to take some pictures, I hope they are adequate. I know about double dies vs. other forms of doubling, and see plenty of Strike Doubling. I really think this is a (possibly new) double die for this quarter. Anybody have any comments or has anyone seen something like this before (tail doubling on Wyoming quarter?) Thank you kindly Matthew    |
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Valued Member
 United States
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Did I do something wrong in my posting? No replies after 30+ views and an hour? I'm new so if I have done something wrong please would someone tell me, I want to participate in the coincommunity!
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Welcome Matthew! You didn't do anything wrong. There are lots of lurkers that never post so don't think that 30 people walked by your post without remarking. Also each coin type has it's following so that narrows the potential posters down a bit. I'm not a quarter guy but I'll go out on a limb and say due to the flat shelving this is Machine Doubling caused by a worn die. No premium. Again welcome to CC! |
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United States
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Thanks--->timsumrall !
Thanks for your feedback, I appreciate it. One thing, however....doesn't ALL the doubling look like shelving on this particular design? There design itself it flat. All the photos I've seen of the mane/saddlehorn doubling look like what I posted, just in a different location on the coin.
Thanks for the welcome, I appreciate it!
Matthew
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Hey Matt dude, wait until coop gets here, he can tell you what you've got. To me it looks like Machine Doubling, but I am by no means an expert. |
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Rest in Peace
United States
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 matthewpj73 I am one of those aforementioned lurkers...sort of ... so I will say 'hi'. I have no idea what Machine Doubling looks like. But I do see the extra line on the tail. Now I have to go look up Machine Doubling. |
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United States
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Matt, I would have said MD but you bring up a good point about the horse being flat to begin with. Wait for an expert. Buddy, This thread below has helped me and alot of people on Machine Doubling (MD). You can also do searches at the top left of the page. The search has helped me find examples where the glossary is just the definition. Good luck. http://www.coincommunity.com/forum/...PIC_ID=51410 |
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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Machine doubling. The dies moved during the strike and left a damaged area on the device in that area. Normal dies, just slightly damaged while the strike was happening.
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Valued Member
United States
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coop - thanks, that's what I was worried about. Dang, thought I might have found a new one. Now, if you could explain to me...the DDRs for the Wyoming quarters that I have seen look to my amature eye exactly the same. I trust your strength as Pillar of the Community to somehow educate me here... So what is the difference between what I posted and the other DDR wyomings I've seen? Thanks in advance. |
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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Here is a few I've saved images of from other posters:  |
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Valued Member
United States
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Thanks - I'm still not certain what makes one a double die and one a Machine Doubling in this case though, with the flat design and the "flaw" not involving any letters/numbers it is difficult for me to see/understand the differences. How can you tell that the tail is Machine Doubling? Is there something you see that you could point out? I've read lots of literature on double dies vs. Machine Doubling and the wonderful reference on here with pictures, but with this particular coin I can't seem to apply any of what I've seen... ... ...? |
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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On a doubled die, the hubbing is what created the doubling on the die, thus a die variety. On Machine Doubling it is a normal die that moved during the striking that made the device damaged. |
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United States
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Coop - I understand the mechanics of how they are produced. I have read A LOT. What I don't understand is how to tell this tail doubling is Machine Doubling vs. double die. They look the same to me on the Wyoming quarter - you say mine is Machine Doubling, but it looks like the double dies of Wyoming quarters to me - they ALL look like "shelfing" on this particular quarter. Maybe I'm not phrasing my question correctly, I just want to know what you see that I don't - my non-expert eye is not discerning a difference. If there were letters/numbers/lines affected them I think it would be easier for me to see and understand...but with this stupid flat horse, I don't know. Sorry to be naive here...but I want to learn! |
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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On the doubled dies you see the doubling raise from the field on coins I posted. On your coin, the area is not raised, just metal pushed from the movement of the dies. The field below is normal on your coin.
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