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1808 Half Cent Upgrade - Variety Help Please

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 Posted 09/29/2011  11:40 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add paleoguy45 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
This gal arrived yesterday and was looking for variety/rarity/etc on her. Any comments greatly appreciated. There's a really nice die crack on the reverse bottom and the reverse is severely rotated 30-35 degrees clockwise. Paleoguy

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 Posted 09/29/2011  12:39 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Conder101 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I'm sorry to say that you are the proud owner of a fake. There are only two obverses known for 1808. ne of them is an obvious overdate and on the other one the second 8 is made using the 0 punch from the fraction on the reverse. This isn't the overdate, and the 8 is not made from the 0 punch. Also the date figures are too small and I don't like the font. On the 1808 "regular" date the point of the 1 almost touches the curl. The reverse is also wrong. The reverse of the 1808 Half Cents has the gap between the ends of the wreath below the serif of the E. On your coin it's right of the serif of S. Also the digits in the fraction are too large for those used in 1808. So either it is a fake or you've got a brand new unknown variety with a new obv and reverse, but which somehow managed to use the obverse long enough to wear away the dentilation.
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 Posted 09/29/2011  1:50 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add paleoguy45 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Wow! It's the big one Elizabeth! Thanks so much for your advice on this one. It'll be in the mail tomorrow back to the seller as I am still in the seven day window for returns..... PG
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 Posted 10/01/2011  2:24 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add matthewpj73 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Yup, I am looking at my 1808 (the one with the 8 made from the 0's in the 1/200) and it doesn't look like yours. All the markers that Conder pointer out match on mine but not yours. There are plenty of other markers that separate your coin from a real 1808 HC, but it would be overkill to list them all here I think... :)

I always feel a little sick when I see a "replica" or fake like this...BLEH.
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 Posted 10/01/2011  3:27 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add muddler to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Holly fake Bat Man! My thoughts were that it just looked too good. It is good to have 1/2 cent enthusiasts who are in the know on this sight.
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Agree totally on your last Muddy... The bogus copper is on it's way back to the seller (signature rqrd of course)... and I'm getting an 1805 instead.. Love the 5/5 strike on these babies... PG
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I never knew why the second 8 on my '08 Half Cent looked 'weird"! The "O" from the 200 on reverse?


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 Posted 10/01/2011  10:35 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Saruma to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Out of curiosity, why would someone go to the trouble to fake this coin? It isn't like a normal 1808 is an especially valuable coin. If I was going to the trouble to fake it I'd probably do an 1802, or at least do the overdate version of the 1808.
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Saruma - still worth a bit in this condition if real, right? Collectors are going to be looking more carefully for fakes in the more expensive coins...but exactly as you pointed out, who is going to suspect a fake 1808 LC? The fakemakers are making their $$$ in littler bits me thinks;
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