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There can be other types like this piece but we needed (i.e., authors of this book) to "draw the line" somewhere on a Sheffield CC8R and a debased silver alloy CC8R. So a debased silver alloy can be just a mix of say silver/copper/zinc/lead with silver anywhere from say 20-85% or it could be a debased silver plated specimen over a base alloy. As I mentioned before normally we see copper but recently we have seen copper, copper/iron, copper/zinc as the base alloy underlying the high % silver on these Sheffields. Why these are so dangerous is that these were made at The Royal Mint (Birmingham) with high quality die making tools and their state of the art coin making technology. England was at war with Spain so they made the Sheffields to flood the Spanish market with these incredibly made counterfeits as the Nazi's did with English Paper Money during WWII. We actually have documented evidence for this on Spanish Escudos made in England with the same alloy types as these Portrait 8Rs. As I stated I believe they are the best made contemporaries in the world prior to 1900. For this reason we see them in PCGS/NGC holders. Recently I received a commemorative type package from the U.S. Mint celebrating some event with a 8R. Yes you guessed it - a CC8R Sheffield. From the E-Bay pics ... so I took a chance ... it was verified in hand <BG>. John Lorenzo United States Edited by colonialjohn
01/10/2012 10:47 am
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01/10/2012 11:07 pm
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A scale and diameter readings are useless with Sheffields. They measure and weigh the same as regals.
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A scale and diameter readings are useless with Sheffields. They measure and weigh the same as regals.  Yes John I agree. That is why I wanted as definitive answer as possible about the 1806 nonSheffield 8R as pictured above. As I am working on a Patent Pending counterfeit device called True Field Detective T.F.D. I am trying to calibrate it for CC8Rs. No problem at all with Chinese white copper, super alloy, or silver plate. Ahh but the beautiful Sheffield is another story all together  |
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Tokenmast do have (3) this week ... Sheffields ... take a look to understand at johnmenc.
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01/17/2012 07:00 am
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Thank You colonialjohn  Two cc8Rs with chop marks  Thank You for one well worth it It is good to know which counterfeits can be determined at home quickly  and those that truly need extraordinary means to authenticate. |
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After February 20 not sure how I am going to list these CC8R for study or purchase to the public? Just genuine regals it seems from the ban. Perhaps there will be some allowance if properly documented in the listing.
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CCF? <----- you are here.
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Yes - HA! HA! HA! I do need what 250 posts? Good point.
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Take a look. Have an interesting high copper specimen at the usual channel. Soon Stacks/Bowers may start listing CC8R's with GNL#s based on our new book for 2013/2014. Sending them the data in about a month. The Mike Ringo Collection of CC8R's may be selling later this year at the Whitman/C4 Baltimore Convention. Not sure either September or November 2012.
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Posted 01/10/2012 10:43 am
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