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My First Attempt At 'Dipping' A Coin.....kennedy SMS

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 Posted 02/11/2014  6:15 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add eSinger to your friends list

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Am I the only one who thinks this process is a mistake and we should just leave the coin in its natural state? Why are you dipping these coins anyways? just to experiment or resell them to someone else who doesn't know they were cleaned?


I am not planning on selling at all. I want to see the beauty of the coin and if it has gunk on it and I can remove it without damage then great. I knew acetone did not hurt a coin and from my brief experiment here, as long as I am careful this does not either.


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The proof of the outcome will be much later as the metal reacts to the cleaning agent over time.
Give it a few weeks and see what happens -



That is what the acetone does...there is no cleaning agent left....at least that is my understanding.



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Careful .........

I have bought gnarley coins before, if the value is gone anyway, might as well make them nice to look at. Not everyone has resale dollar signs in their eyes every time they buy a coin, some of us just collect for the fun, history and beauty.


Precisely I am not selling these and looking at them I do not think it hurt in any way. As someone has stated there is a restoration/preservation company out there that does this. If they charge $15 per coin, the coins I have done are not worth that. The point is, after the gunk is off, they look great and that was the purpose.

I can not remember the last time I sold a coin...must have been 15 years old or something.



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I am one of those who collects for fun, history and beauty. I understand these are his coins and can do what he wants....but the dipping destroys all the fun, history and beauty about these coins.....kinda gives them a "new look".


How can it destroy the coin? If you have some kind of smear, fingerprint, dirt or whatever on it and you want it gone without damage and that is the key, what can you do. I do not think I have damaged the coin in any way...these were not circulated coins, they were mint state with gunk on them. Now they just look mint state. I understand the reservations of some and I have no issue with it. For me, I like to look at them and I want them to be nice. This is a way to do just that. If it ruins the resale value of a $10 coin, so what I am not selling them.


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E.Z.Est... Maybe a max 4-5 second dip around 2 years ago


Well I was worried about that but the acetone should have cleaned any residue off of it. I dipped way longer in the acetone as it hurts nothing..I think.




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It DID remove all the stuff that was on the coin...and it was a great looking coin ("white") after dip.
This is a pic 2 years AFTER the dip....worse than before the dip


Yuk, but you said you rinsed with distilled water. I wonder if acetone was used if you would have had the same reaction?


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 Posted 02/11/2014  6:22 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add rupester to your friends list
ok just dipped some nicks and in comparison to a BU 42 nick NOTE: I never dip a coin that is numismatically valuable I only do this to coins I cannot find anything more than melt(junk)value..and I happen to love War Nickels and collect them just because the time in our country and the amazing generation and time these coins represent....im off topic heres the three coins NOTE center coin is not dipped its a collector piece

My-First-Attempt-At-'Dipping'-A-Coin.....kennedy-SMS
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02/11/2014 6:23 pm
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 Posted 02/11/2014  6:28 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add rupester to your friends list
Foxwoods I did incorrectly mis read your post..curious from dip til now how was the coin stored? Did any others tone? That were stored like the Morgan?
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 Posted 02/12/2014  06:59 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Foxwoods Man to your friends list
I dipped 2 coins...the ugly Morgan and an ASE. Both stored in Mylar flips so not air tight. The ASE did not tone at all.
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 Posted 02/12/2014  08:17 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add rupester to your friends list
I am stumped..we need a metallurgist!
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 Posted 05/05/2014  10:31 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add eSinger to your friends list
I have checked on mine and see no issues but it has only been a couple of months as of yet..
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I set some aside as well..still no change..
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 Posted 05/08/2014  11:25 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add squirrel777 to your friends list
I don't understand the controversy over the video, the guy said that it was for bullion only, don't use for anything numismatic at the end.
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 Posted 05/08/2014  12:07 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add eSinger to your friends list
My understanding is that one should only dip a BU coin, those nickels were circulated. Let me explain, the BU type coin will not show the bright cleaning like a circulated one will. There are folks that say a bu coin that has been dipped will have a microscopic layer removed from the coin and this I do believe. Some like toning and some do not. I have dipped a EF/AU coin that looked like crap, and yes it ruined the value I guess but made it nice to look at the design and level of wear. I am not still sold on this dipping but the results I have seen I am pleased with. I am not worried to much about value per se, but since it was standard practice for years to 'clean' a coin, then most likely most older coins have been cleaned at one time. One thing to keep in mind is that coins can be professionally cleaned in a process that is called conservation. I wonder how they do it really but I think I have a good idea, just not the recipes used.
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Also - I guess the real deal is the definition between harshly cleaning (Brasso) and conservation. I would consider dipping not harsh in most cases with AU/BU coins. I am no expert and far from it actually but I am learning.
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This is a pic 2 years AFTER the dip....worse than before the dip

I wonder what it would look like had you rinsed it in acetone instead of the distiller water ? Interesting.
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 Posted 05/08/2014  11:42 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add eSinger to your friends list
I final rinse in Acetone always. Not sure yet if that works but no issues so far.
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SInce my OLD COin Care had expired I took to the lab and developed a new coin cleaner which can effectively remove all verdigris on copper and not affect patina or cartwheel effect. It took a year but I am now satified with my results. Many rave reviews and I have been selling it only to C4 members (Colonial Coin Collectors Club) so far ... its $40 for a 2 oz. bottle. Chorinated hydrocarbons like Blue Ribbon turn a copper coin slightly purple and aceone or ketones give coins a whitish cast look as it dries out the surface. Was an industrial cleaning chemist for (15) years ... if you have questions I can answer them here ... contact me privately if you wish to purchase this item. Safe on copper alloy and hence safe on all alloys. Has no effect on carbon spots or deep cratered verdigris. Surficial PVC type green - 15 second wipe - no issues.

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 Posted 05/14/2014  11:32 am  Show Profile   Check 52Raymo's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add 52Raymo to your friends list
John....very interesting ! Can you do before and after pics using your new product ? What is the name for it ?
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 Posted 05/14/2014  11:41 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add colonialjohn to your friends list
No name. I took a current brand and then reformulated and added a premium mix to this already formulation. The main laboratory requirement was no copper patina change, no cartwheel effects and no residue after a 1 hour drying time on the surface viewed through a 15X jewlers loop.
As with any coin cleaner it has no effect on carbon spots which are inert and depending on the depth into the coin of green patina it may need a sitting time of 15-30 minutes. Most cleaning operations with a QTip is 15 sec then wipe.
No ill reviews yet with over two dozed C4 members ging both thums up on the product.
I know ... yeah sure ... this is understandable <BG>.
I would not recommend it on MS coins because as you move the soils which are removed around there is always the liklihood of surface hairlines on the coin. But if the area of cleaning is just a green spot or two ... it may be worth the gamble>
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05/14/2014 11:44 am
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