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1872 S Half Dime Sisters. Above And Below.

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 Posted 08/11/2015  8:10 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add dsfreeworld to your friends list
I'm bowing back


here's a couple of points of interest I found doing some reseach:


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Half dimes were first struck in San Francisco in 1863 and they were produced every year through 1873. The mint mark was placed below the wreath beginning in 1863 and continued in this position through 1869. The unique 1870-S Half Dime has a mint mark within the wreath while all of the known 1871-S Half Dimes have their mint marks within the wreath. The mint mark was again placed below the wreath on 1873-S Half Dimes making the 1872-S Half Dime the only branch mint issue of this denomination for which both In Wreath and Below Wreath coins were produced.


Also, noted Hall of Fame Numismatist, Brian Greer, one of only three acknowledged experts on Liberty Seated dimes, had this to say specifically about the 1872-S issue of the dime


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uneven strikes are common for this date. Obverse weakness is frequently seen on Liberty's
head and/or foot. The upper left section of the reverse wreath also has a propensity to exhibit strike weakness.


My best guesses are A) the mint director and /or employees who struck the coinage were enjoying the ability to switch MMs around at their leisure and B) as previously stated, weak strike characteristics are common place in San Francisco Seated coinage, regardless of denomination.
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 Posted 08/11/2015  8:21 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ploopy to your friends list
The one on the right looks stronger than the one on the left. Pulls vf30 and probably xf

Edit: Looking back at this post I realized my sausage fingers pressed the wrong button
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08/11/2015 9:55 pm
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 Posted 08/11/2015  8:22 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coinfrog to your friends list
OK, thanks for the new pics, I can go XF on the second one, but still can't go obove VF on the first one,

Shoot that dog and try again.
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08/11/2015 8:25 pm
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 Posted 08/11/2015  8:27 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coinfrog to your friends list
Sorry, I meant "Shoo that dog.."!

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 Posted 08/11/2015  9:29 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Joseph7420 to your friends list
I think both would be EF-40.
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 Posted 08/11/2015  10:06 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add dave700x to your friends list
I agree with EF on the above wreath and high VF on the below wreath mm. Great topic and great examples!

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 Posted 08/11/2015  10:26 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add fromms2244 to your friends list
This really is a great topic and examples as Dave said. I was unaware of the MM location move mid year... is this the only year a MM has moved that dramatically on Liberty Seated coins?
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 Posted 08/11/2015  10:40 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jpbone to your friends list
Thanks for all the opinions, information and discussion. These two little beauties were fairly priced and came into the LCS together, so, I figured I wouldn't split them up. Like I said, it looked like they were in an album together. I thought it was something interesting that I hadn't payed much attention too before I saw the pair in the shop today.
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 Posted 08/13/2015  2:17 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Jaobler to your friends list
I agree with EF for both coins, based on the strong reverse detail. The obverse weakness might hurt the eye appeal but should not bring the technical grade below EF in my opinion. I'm not seeing any obvious problems like cleaning or damage. Nice pair!
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 Posted 08/13/2015  3:19 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add oih82w8 to your friends list

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"Nothing spectacular"


Ha!  You may have something here.  I used your image and added Ken Potter's (koinpro) website image for comparison, I tried to get koinpro's image to be the same size for comparison, and it sure looks like one of the same, or something really close!  I believe that it is attributed as FS-301 (or 302) in the CherryPickers Guide (which I don't have with me).

Pick-up Point between the rock/gown border between the "8" and "7" above the date appears to be a MisPunched Date (MPD) which resembles an errant "8".

1872-S-Half-Dime-Sisters.--Above-And-Below.

You have the coin in hand, what do you think?
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 Posted 08/13/2015  4:10 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jpbone to your friends list
oih82w8, I'll look when I get home. You got me excited now!
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 Posted 08/13/2015  4:34 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jpbone to your friends list
This is the best I can do right now. I'll try to magnify it later.

1872-S-Half-Dime-Sisters.--Above-And-Below.
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 Posted 08/14/2015  11:42 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jpbone to your friends list
I looked at it under a loop and I believe it is a MPD. Thanks for pointing it out. I would still like someone other than me to confirm what I'm seeing. Again oih82w8, thanks for the "heads up". I spent the rest of the night going through my CherryPickers Guide. Oh, that cropped picture I posted above doesn't really show anything.
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 Posted 08/14/2015  10:36 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add oih82w8 to your friends list
This is about the best that I can do with my H10C;

1872-S-Half-Dime-Sisters.--Above-And-Below.

Here is Ken Potter's (koinpro) image and web page which I found it on;

1872-S-Half-Dime-Sisters.--Above-And-Below.

http://koinpro.tripod.com/CPG5II/CPG5II.htm
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 Posted 08/14/2015  10:46 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add dave700x to your friends list
Good eye O!
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