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Pillar of the Community
United States
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How urgently do you want to sell? Silver at under $15 seems a bit underwhelming IMO. You can always sit on it and roll the dice it moves back towards $17-18+ in the next little while.
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New Member
United States
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Hi Michael, "melt" value could be translated to "face value" by formula: "weight of coin (in gram)" x "% of silver in composition" x "current market silver price per gram" Example: Silver Washington quarter (1932-1964): 6.25 (g) x 0.900% x ($14.87/31.1034) = $2.69 Wartime silver nickel (1942-1945): 5.00 (g) x 0.350% x ($14.87/31.1034) = $0.84
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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@coinmania  Quote:"melt" value could be translated to "face value" by formula: "weight of coin (in gram)" x "% of silver in composition" x "current market silver price per gram" Example: Silver Washington quarter (1932-1964): 6.25 (g) x 0.900% x ($14.87/31.1034) = $2.69 Wartime silver nickel (1942-1945): 5.00 (g) x 0.350% x ($14.87/31.1034) = $0.84 You should not use these "formulas" because they do not account for wear. All coins lose weight when they circulate, sometimes over 5% weight loss can occur on heavily worn coins. 2% weight loss for circulated pieces is considered normal. The 0.715 multiplier takes average circulated weight loss into account. (Spot price X 0.715 X Face Value) works for 90% silver U.S. coinage and is considered accurate by the bullion industry. Your Silver Washington quarter (1932-1964): $14.87 x 0.715 x $0.25 = $2.66. Does not sound like much of a difference on one quarter but on a $1000 Face value bag? It's about $150 in difference.
Edited by BH1964 06/15/2019 10:42 am
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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I think a good offer from a dealer would be between 9x and 10x face. You could probably sell them on the forum pretty easily as well. Silver seems to go quickly here if priced reasonably.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Do you have ~$100 in face value of 90% silver coins? If so, consider selling to Provident Metals. They are currently paying $10.39 per $1 face value for Franklins, for example. It takes a 2 minute phone call, packing of coins and a trip to the post office. Once it's mailed, your parents just get a direct ACH payment probably in a week or so. If you have less than $100 and speed counts, I agree, 9x-10x is what to expect if the place sends their stuff off to a refiner or slightly more if they have a brisk resale business. List here as one lot for 11x for a decent mix of speed, not too much work and reasonable $s.
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New Member
United States
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To BH1964:
It's completely opposite: a formula I mentioned gives exactly "melt" value in both cases of a single coin and a bag of coins. While a way you suggested gives some approximation which will give a big difference in case of bag of coins.
A price of good weight scale is less than $10. And I thought it's clear for everybody and I don't need to mentioned about it that in formula above you need to use an actual weight of given coin and/or (an actual weight of bag of coins by using a corresponding weight scale). If actual weight will be used it gives exactly melt value of given coin (or bag of coins).
As you said "All coins lose weight when they circulate, sometimes over 5% weight loss can occur on heavily worn coins." And all coins lose wheight differently, some of them loss 2%, some - 5%, some - more or less.
A coefficient 0.715 is some approximation and again I could repeat your words: "Does not sound like much of a difference on one quarter but on a $1000 Face value bag?" The formula I've mentioned gives a correct "melt value" in case of single coin and in case of $1000 Face value bag while a way you offered gives a huge different from reality in case of $1000 Face value bag because all coins loss weight differently.
Thanks.
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Bedrock of the Community
Canada
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@ coin-mania  To the Forum.
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Bedrock of the Community
Canada
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Quote: Price For Selling Lower-grade Silver Coins How low? 
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
10982 Posts |
Quote: The formula I've mentioned gives a correct "melt value" in case of single coin and in case of $1000 Face value bag while a way you offered gives a huge different from reality in case of $1000 Face value bag because all coins loss weight differently.
90% silver coins are not sold by weight. They are sold in multiples of Face Value. The 0.715 multiplier is what the industry uses and has used for many decades. And it should be noted the 0.715 multiplier does not apply to Silver Dollars which contain a different amount of silver and almost always have some numismatic value as well.
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New Member
United States
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I answered the question "what melt value will be in dollar amount". And exactly the "melt value" and "numismatic value" are not the same ...
For many people remembering of one (or several) multiplier(s) is much easy than to remember any formula. It's a reason why multipliers are used for many decades. But as we can see formula gives the approximately same final value. And it means that formula doesn't against multipliers used as industry standard but formula provides more precise value.
Also formula includes a component "% of silver in composition" to take into account a different amount of silver in different types of coins. It's an additional advantage of using this formula: you need to remember a single formula only instead many different multipliers for different types of coins.
Thanks.
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Valued Member
 United States
314 Posts |
All, Thanks for the help. I just counted everything up (at least the silver), and this is what I have: Franklin halves x 20 Washington quarters x 30 Roosevelt dimes x 10 Mercury dimes x 10 Kennedy halves - 1964: x 10 Kennedy halves - 1965-69: x 12 Kennedy Hales - 1970s x 10 (don't believe these are silver) Walking Liberty Halfs - 1930s: x 7 Walking Liberty Halfs - 1940s: x 56 Walking Liberty Halfs - No Dates: x 4 Walking Liberty Half-1917: x 1 (fairly worn, but maybe worth more then melt?) Waling Liberty Half- 1918: x 1 (fairly worn, but maybe worth more then melt?) Walking Liberty half - 1920: x 3 (fairly worn, worth more then melt?) There is also a book of Jefferson nickels, not complete, and doesn't look like any rare dates and everything fairly circulated. And then there are several books of incomplete Lincoln wheat cents. Again, no real rare dates, and everything fairly circulated, but I think there is a 1909 and a 1909 vdb, but they are pretty worn. There is also a bag filled with foreign coins, and then some random coins, including a few Buffalo nickels, an a few other random coins. I think the "silver" is probably the only thing of value here. And, should I post those older Walking Liberty Halfs (the 1917, 1918, and 1920s to get opinions if they are worth more then "melt") ? Thanks for all the help. Regards, Michael
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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Quote: Kennedy halves - 1965-69: x 12 Kennedy Hales - 1970s x 10 (don't believe these are silver) These should all be 40% silver and worth about $2.20 each unless they are damaged. You'd be lucky to get $2 from a dealer though. Quote: I think the "silver" is probably the only thing of value here. You're probably right but if you post a group photo of the other pieces we can give you an idea. And yes the older Walkers, assuming they're in decent shape, can bring a premium to melt so post a pic of them too. As to your original question about selling to a dealer. That is usually how you get the least money for coins. You are better off selling to another collector or bullion house to get close to melt. What you've described should be worth at least $700.
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Valued Member
 United States
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BH1964, Ok. Thanks so much. I will post the older Walkers that I have, but I will post them to a "new thread" to the "US Classics" coin forum so it starts a fresh thread. I'll do the same for the other "misc" coins that I have. The bulk of the walkers, Washington quarters, etc. are just probably "melt". I may post in the "for sale" here in CCF first with some photos to see if someone wants to buy them all in bulk. If not, I know a few dealers that frequent a coin show I go to that will probably give me a reasonably good price.. better then a "brick and mortar" dealer.. Thanks. Michael
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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Be careful. You should really get a book, like the Red Book by Whitman Publishing, before you do anything. Not sure what you know about coins but there are some possible error coins worth a lot. For example a 1942/41 Mercury dime. Coins like that are worth a lot.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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I have seen dealers buy 90% silver coins by weight, not saying they all do. I second selling to Provident Metals, dealers here only pay 50-60% spot, and Provident can pay better as they don't have the overhead costs.
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