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Pillar of the Community
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Aaaand there's the bubble gum machine again. I know those can push metal on coins, but honestly thought this MS coins would put that to rest for this particular issue. I was wrong.
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Darn it. I wanted it to be something about how they used a special kind of cladding that year for some reason, and it was not as strong as regular cladding, so the bad cladding increased the liklihood of damage.
Edited by CentSeeker 09/03/2022 12:46 pm
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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Wheat cents are not clad coins.
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Quote: Wheat cents are not clad coins. Oh.  It looks clad?
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Valued Member
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Seriously tho, it looks like a thin layer over the zero to me anyway.
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Pillar of the Community
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given how pristine this coin is, I'm leaning toward a die issue, another 40S with the same 0 anomaly would rest the c ASE
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bad engraving of the master die? How many more did you say you have seen like this TB?
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Pillar of the Community
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I've seen a bunch, but if I remember correctly 1940-P has a lot of coins that look like this as well. Don't remember any D coins but it all blends together after a while.
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Pillar of the Community
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@coop I don't think you read TropicalBats' post based on your comment...
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Interesting coin indeed. I don't have the expertise to weigh in but curious what the eventual consensus is.
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Pillar of the Community
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I'm just going off of lighting here which can be misleading. In the first set of pics I have circled north and south points. The north point looks to have a rounded entrance into the anomaly while the south point looks to have a sharper ridge. The lighting is coming from 3:00 o'clock so this might explain away what might be a preasure ridge. The second set of pics highlights a area of shadow across the 0 that could be the result of the lighting at 7:00 o'clock and a preasure ridge. TB Do you note any evidence of a preasure ridge or is this just a lighting anomaly that I see. Side note: I doubt this could be from something like a Coin Wrapping Machine as there are no linear lines through the anomaly  
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Pillar of the Community
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We know the trip from the strike to the consumer is a bumpy ride. Anywhere alone the line from strike to the hopper, to the bag, to the shiping, rolling at the banks. Damage to the coin can happen anywhere. This to me is a contact hit. You can see where the east side of the 0 was originally, and the inside of the 0 is slightly pushed in. If you took a micrometer to the 0 I think you would find the damaged line would be above the west side of the 0. Last thing, if it were a die problem there would be thousands of the out there. They wouldn't retire the die for a this small of a problem.
Edited by Cujohn 09/04/2022 7:03 pm
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Pillar of the Community
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Yes, I don't know if it is a pressure ridge, but as I noted in the description the metal is raised to the east of the dented area, slightly rising above the level of the rest of the 0. I certainly offer it as possibly of PMD, yet this just doesn't seem like PMD. Maybe there is some poorly understood feeder finger issue or some such thing that hits coins just so post strike, but this is so flat against the field and below the rim that it's hard to imagine machinery getting in there, and consistently at the same angle and on the same place on the coin.
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Pillar of the Community
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I could see this going in both directions. As some of the others have mentioned, based on this coin being in such a great condition, along with the mention of seeing this on other coins with the same date, I'm leaning towards die issue. I'll certainly be watching out for such anomalies if I come across any 1940 S cents. Anyway, thanks for showing us the coin, discussions like this make the hobby fascinating.
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