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Was hoarding silver in 1961 - a time when a $5 roll of dimes was worth $3.33 in metal far less than face - similar to people hoarding copper today?
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The melt value on copper cents is almost 3 times face right now.

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I lived in the 60's when silver was not all that hard to find in circulation. Since the premium on the silver was not as much, I know a lot of people just ignored it at that time. I also know it was a time in before the gas price sham so people had a lot more money to play with. It was a time, or so it seems when compared with today, that there was more money around & less (overwhelming) greed in society. We were just coming off of the golden age of America in the 50's so I think this made people not see a need to hoard. It was not so hard to make a living and (so we thought)to have a secure future.
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 Posted 07/21/2011  05:31 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mmerlinn to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
No one had a reason to hoard silver in 1961. It was common. It was everywhere. All circulating coinage except the nickel was silver based then. Even silver dollars were available even though they were long out of production.

My dad would bring home silver dollars regularly. When he died, each of us 7 kids got around 50 or so of them.

A quarter and a dime would buy a gallon of gas then. And I spent lots of them on gas. That same quarter and dime today will buy about 2.7 gallons of gas.
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My recollection is that by early 1967 it was somewhat uncommon to get a silver coin in change.
As soon as the announcement of metallic change was made, I started setting my silver change aside,
but should have been more aggressive. I remember getting some quarter rolls from the bank in 1965 and 1966, but at that time it seemed like a lot of work to search and then re-roll them.
I was in college at the time, and the time might have been better spent studying!
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When the U.S. switches from copper to another metal for its coinage, what will that mean for the value of copper? Will it reduce demand initially, and what will it mean for any copper-clad coins? Will it have a premium similar to silver. I am aware that silver goes by the ounce and copper by the pound.
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Copper is considered a base metal, not a precious metal. Industrial demand for copper is so high, that any fluctuation caused by removing it from coinage will be miniscule.

Currently, the copper value in the older cents makes them worth around 3 times face value. Silver coins are what, 28 to 29 times face value? I don't think I'll ever see copper coins going to that kind of ratio. 3x is still good enough to get some people to hoard though.
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No one hoarded coins in 1961. It was 1964 (and to a minor extent 1963) that hoarding happened, and it had nothing to do with silver, but potential collector value. Why hoard, when you could walk into any bank with $1000 and walk out with a bag of BU Morgans?

In 64, mainstream media pointed out how much money you would have if you bought a roll of each Lincoln Cent when it was issued. They ignored the two reasons this way true: Mintages were tiny compared to the 60s, and no one else bothered to save them. Any then-current effort was doomed from the start by mintages 10, 100 even 1000 times as large, and your neighbor had ten or even 100 bags of the same coin. They're still coming out of the woodwork.

Cents, and to a lesser extent nickels, were hoarded as fast as the mint could make them (lookit the mintage figures, dwarfing previous years, especially nickels).

Dimes and quarters were made in huge quantities as well, but were being hoarded by a different group--vending machines, which had just started to reach their stride. Each machine can easily hold $100-$1000 in change, so dimes and quarters are now sitting in machines instead of banks.

Last, halves had this new guy on them, so they were hoarded by the generally pubic, along with the last Franklins.

Silver hoarding started June 24, 1967, when the gubmint announced it would no longer sell silver for $1.2929 unless you paid in silver certificates, and only for one year. At the same time, it would allow the price of silver to float, with no attempt to enforce a market price.

As silver went to around $3, I made a bunch of bucks riding my bike to all the banks, giving the tellers a premium for SC, and shipping a fat envelope out every week. As a few saw prices rising, they couldn't grasp that the deal had an expiration date, and held. 43 years later, they're still worth less than they were in 1968.
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When the U.S. switches from copper to another metal for its coinage, what will that mean for the value of copper?

Ain't likely to happen. When Half Cents were discontinued in 1857, they had a purchasing power of $0.12 today. When the gubmint loses money on every cent and nickel made, the best move would be to only make dimes up (including a $2 coin), rather than find cheaper ways to make pocket lint.

Coinage is a very minor use of copper.
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Yup, 1 billion modern pennies uses only 63 tons of copper.
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So, in keeping with the ever-cheaper US coinage philosophy, how soon can we expect to see aluminum coins? I know that the vending machine folks would probably hate these things and many of us would think that they were "toy money" instead of real money, but it could happen. Aluminum is cheap and available in vast supply.
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Heh. I already think we're using play money. Until and unless we go back to a silver or gold standard it's all just funny money anyway.
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My goodness, brings back memories. I was just a very small child but I remember taking out wheat pennies, silver War Nickels, Mercury dimes (and the Roosevelt as well) and all silver once 1964 was here! I have rolls of Kennedy halves from issue! Not many but nevertheless some! nice thread topic! Now it may be the pre 1982 pennies and nickels to keep! They are worth more than face!
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I already think we're using play money. Until and unless we go back to a silver or gold standard it's all just funny money anyway. - Waredu

It does, indeed, seem so. As one of the few here who has actually used REAL money during my life, I KNOW what real money feels and looks like... and, you're right... the junk money they are foisting on us today ISN'T it.
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