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United States
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No one hoarded coins in 1961. It was 1964 (and to a minor extent 1963) that hoarding happened, and it had nothing to do with silver, but potential collector value. Why hoard, when you could walk into any bank with $1000 and walk out with a bag of BU Morgans? In 64, mainstream media pointed out how much money you would have if you bought a roll of each Lincoln Cent when it was issued. They ignored the two reasons this way true: Mintages were tiny compared to the 60s, and no one else bothered to save them. Any then-current effort was doomed from the start by mintages 10, 100 even 1000 times as large, and your neighbor had ten or even 100 bags of the same coin. They're still coming out of the woodwork. Cents, and to a lesser extent nickels, were hoarded as fast as the mint could make them (lookit the mintage figures, dwarfing previous years, especially nickels). Dimes and quarters were made in huge quantities as well, but were being hoarded by a different group--vending machines, which had just started to reach their stride. Each machine can easily hold $100-$1000 in change, so dimes and quarters are now sitting in machines instead of banks. Last, halves had this new guy on them, so they were hoarded by the generally pubic, along with the last Franklins. Silver hoarding started June 24, 1967, when the gubmint announced it would no longer sell silver for $1.2929 unless you paid in silver certificates, and only for one year. At the same time, it would allow the price of silver to float, with no attempt to enforce a market price. As silver went to around $3, I made a bunch of bucks riding my bike to all the banks, giving the tellers a premium for SC, and shipping a fat envelope out every week. As a few saw prices rising, they couldn't grasp that the deal had an expiration date, and held. 43 years later, they're still worth less than they were in 1968.
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Rest in Peace
United States
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Quote: When the U.S. switches from copper to another metal for its coinage, what will that mean for the value of copper? Ain't likely to happen. When Half Cents were discontinued in 1857, they had a purchasing power of $0.12 today. When the gubmint loses money on every cent and nickel made, the best move would be to only make dimes up (including a $2 coin), rather than find cheaper ways to make pocket lint. Coinage is a very minor use of copper.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Yup, 1 billion modern pennies uses only 63 tons of copper.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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So, in keeping with the ever-cheaper US coinage philosophy, how soon can we expect to see aluminum coins? I know that the vending machine folks would probably hate these things and many of us would think that they were "toy money" instead of real money, but it could happen. Aluminum is cheap and available in vast supply.
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United States
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Heh. I already think we're using play money. Until and unless we go back to a silver or gold standard it's all just funny money anyway.
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United States
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Quote: how soon can we expect to see aluminum coins? 1974
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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My goodness, brings back memories. I was just a very small child but I remember taking out wheat pennies, silver War Nickels, Mercury dimes (and the Roosevelt as well) and all silver once 1964 was here! I have rolls of Kennedy halves from issue! Not many but nevertheless some! nice thread topic! Now it may be the pre 1982 pennies and nickels to keep! They are worth more than face!
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Quote: 1974 In mass circulation?
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Pillar of the Community
United States
4008 Posts |
Quote: I already think we're using play money. Until and unless we go back to a silver or gold standard it's all just funny money anyway. - Waredu It does, indeed, seem so. As one of the few here who has actually used REAL money during my life, I KNOW what real money feels and looks like... and, you're right... the junk money they are foisting on us today ISN'T it. 
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Canada
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Copper - base metal, measured by the pound, used only in trillions of pennies
Silver - precious metal, measured by the ounce (troy), used for dimes and up only
I can't see a huge future for hoarding copper because it's still being tied to the dollar (if it were not tied so, then they would not be hoarded for above-face-value - they would in fact BE money, but they are only instruments of money). Copper is used more in industry than as money, so I suspect that only if there were a global copper shortage then MAYBE your rolls of pre 82s will be worth something.
The longer they (bronze cents) stay in circulation, the better, I think. On average, isn't the cent the oldest circulating coin in the USA?
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Nickels are 75 percent copper and 25 percent nickel and the intrinsic value is worth more than a nickel now. Yes I realize no melt allowed but that's how silver was as well Before it became a lot more valuable than face.
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Valued Member
United States
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Quote:So, in keeping with the ever-cheaper US coinage philosophy, how soon can we expect to see aluminum coins? I doubt that we will ever see aluminum coins. However, it is possible, and other countries have had aluminum coins in the past and maybe even today. And those coins look and feel like worthless junk, which they are.
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United States
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Waredu
in 1965 the prez said " dopnt hoard your silver" the same thing was the same now )silver=copper) silver was a base metal then.. and look what happened. ...
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United States
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Quote: I doubt that we will ever see aluminum coins. However, it is possible, and other countries have had aluminum coins in the past and maybe even today. And those coins look and feel like worthless junk, which they are. - mmerlinn I agree that aluminum coins feel like junk but aluminum is one of the most abundant elements in the Earth's crust, so it would make sense to use it for coinage. Its biggest problem is likely that the vending machine lobby would not like such light weight coins at all and would spend mucho dinero to see to it that they were not put into production. IIRC, they made a few aluminum pennies sometime back in the 1970s. These were shown to various congress critters, who were supposed to check them out and then return them. Somehow, they never seemed to have gotten returned. Imagine that. Congress critters with sticky fingers! 
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United States
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Vending machines are by far the biggest users of coins. Why make coins they can't use?
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