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Likewise, we don't know from historical perspective, yet, what differentiates a 69 from a 70 in this set.
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Bedrock of the Community
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Also, it's not done yet. There are coins that haven't shipped from the mint yet. These percentage could shift Very true, but I dont see them changing a whole lot. About 1/3rd of total orders happened on the first day, the majority of the sets have shipped, probably even the vast majority by this point. |
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About 1/3rd of total orders happened on the first day, the majority of the sets have shipped, probably even the vast majority by this point. Of the 100,000 A25 sets, NGC graded about 28%. This one, so far only shows about 10%. It took NGC over a month to post any kind of numbers. The numbers posted today may only reflect the first week or two of grading. |
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For comparison NGC percentages of 70's from the 25th Annie set were:
PF....69.7%
RP....65 %
2012 W proof (so far)...69.3%
2011 SF set:
PF....48.5%
RP....51.5%
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I hate to say but I'm glad I canceled the five sets that were supposed to come at the end of September. I am more then happy with my PCGS 70 sets tat I ordered from ST and the two raw ones I left sealed in the mint box. Seems like the quality on these sets wasn't quite there. Many of my friends ordered these sets and I could see flaws in al of them, prob 12 in total
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For more historical perspective, this shows number of coins graded by NGC as a percentage of total mintage:
2006 W EAGLE 20TH ANNIVERSARY 15%
2006 P REVERSE PF EAGLE 20TH ANNIVERSARY 20%
2011 W EAGLE 25TH ANNIVERSARY SET 27%
2011 P EAGLE REVERSE PF 25TH ANNIVERSARY SET 29%
2012 S EAGLE REVERSE PF SAN FRANCISCO EAGLE SET 10%
2012 S EAGLE COIN AND CURRENCY SET 13%
2012 S EAGLE SAN FRANCISCO EAGLE SET 10%
To me that says that an awful lot of coins submitted and to be submitted were not included in the numbers for 2012 set. That in turn means that the percentage of top grades can still change drastically.
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Seems like the quality on these sets wasn't quite there. Compared to what? So far, PCGS graded a third of these coins as 70. I realize that this a lower percentage than the 2011 set, but what about 2006? |
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LXShutter....you forget...unless 100% of all graded coins are 70, the quality of XYZ coin will always be deemed as a "crappy run" of coins. Then when all grade 70... no one will want them as they won't be worth a premium. It is the inevitable paradox of coin collecting.
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Lx even if it was the same as 06 that would mean they learned literally nothing from 2 runs of the set. You'd think the more they did it the better they would be
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Even if the mint was absolutely flawless in its execution, there will always be variation in the quality of the cons it produces. The dies do wear out and the first coin struck by a particular die, will have a stronger strike than the last. There can also be variations in the dies, so that even if they used a new set of dies for each coin, there would be differences.
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Even if the mint was absolutely flawless in its execution, there will always be variation in the quality of the cons it produces. The dies do wear out and the first coin struck by a particular die, will have a stronger strike than the last. There can also be variations in the dies, so that even if they used a new set of dies for each coin, there would be differences.
Very well put! I work in quailty at a site that manufactures machined hardware. I see variation in processes everyday of the week. If there was no variation in the process, I'd be out of a job! I'm sure there is variation in the coin making process such as the dies, striking pressure, the handling, even variations is the raw planchets. When several variations gang up on you at once, then things really go South.  |
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I agree not everyone should be perfect and collectors will always complain, but the quality with these from what I've seen seem to be more scratch and ding related (which should be controllable) than just not having a perfect strike every time
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Just wondering...is the new laser frosty finish more prone to scratch 'n' dent than the former lustrous finish?
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If anything the sandblasted finishes (still in use on the uncirculated die and now on the AtB-P coins directly) is more susceptible to dings that show because it is generally a lower relief finish. The laser treatments (proof devices and RP fields) do come in differing spot sizes but all are probably "deeper" than the softer sandbalsted finishes. The fully brilliant surfaces (proof fields and RP devices) are extremely prone to minor damage that shows. Also, in general, the fields, no matter the finish, are more likely to show any minor dings than the devices.
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That's strange, since the biggest problem I've seen is dings in the frosting.
The best conclusion to me is rough handling problems.
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