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My First Submissions To NGC

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 Posted 10/05/2013  02:57 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Pittstate03 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
To me, the hunt and the anticipation of getting those grades posted is worth $20 a coin and some shipping. It is all about investing in your investment. I have been a member of NGC a few different times and submitted several coins. While I had some real good results, I also had a few flops. I decided to go with PCGS and try them this time around.
Congrats on your first experience. It is a cheap price to learn more about grading.
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 Posted 10/05/2013  10:50 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Darth Morgan to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I would really like to see someone post about their first experience with PCGS. It would be interesting to see the differences and similarities. Pittstate- you should start a new post on this.
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 Posted 10/05/2013  4:25 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add basebal21 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Darth the PCGS experience is pretty much the same in terms of waiting. Sometimes its a little faster other times its longer depending how backed up they are. The one major difference is they dont do anything to update that your coins are in the grading process. You just get grades when they finish and if youre like me you keep clicking the order link all the time hoping that grades appear .
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 Posted 10/06/2013  01:10 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Darth Morgan to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Well, I AM just like you. There would be times where a couple of days went by without me checking, and I just knew that the grades would be there. But they weren't. That happened a few times.
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 Posted 10/06/2013  10:30 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add papermoney to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I just read all the posts! You had a heck of a journey with NGC, Darth! I'm thinking of sending some of my Morgans, including 2 1878's with PL surfaces, a 1884 with Rainbow toning, and a 1880 with PL surfaces. What do you think?
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 Posted 10/06/2013  12:31 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Darth Morgan to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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I just read all the posts! You had a heck of a journey with NGC, Darth! I'm thinking of sending some of my Morgans, including 2 1878's with PL surfaces, a 1884 with Rainbow toning, and a 1880 with PL surfaces. What do you think?


By all means, send them in! That is my plan as well. I have a little over 100 Morgan and Peace dollars to go through for my next submission. I think I'm going to send in 10 coins next time. This will help save some money per coin as far as shipping costs are concerned. But then again, the insurance will be higher, but we'll see.

By the way, I have a question for the mods: Would it be feasible to start a new section in the forum for TPG submission experiences? Maybe we could call the section TPG Submission Journeys.
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 Posted 10/09/2013  10:05 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Darth Morgan to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Pictures have been uploaded on NGC's website:

http://www.ngccoin.com/certlookup/i...=2611756-001

http://www.ngccoin.com/certlookup/i...=2611756-002

http://www.ngccoin.com/certlookup/i...=2611756-003

http://www.ngccoin.com/certlookup/i...=2611756-004

http://www.ngccoin.com/certlookup/i...=2611756-005

I think it's kind of funny that the Morgan dollar that was conserved by NCS has been labeled as IMPROPERLY CLEANED by NGC. So, any kind of cleaning, even conservation, is considered improper by NGC. I don't disagree with this- just thought it was funny.

1889 Morgan BEFORE conservation:

My-First-Submissions-To-NGC

AFTER Conservation:

My-First-Submissions-To-NGC

I wish I had taken better photos before I sent this coin in. I'm a little better at it now, though.
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10/09/2013 10:11 am
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I like the "golden" tone better on the 1889 beofre the "conservation" service was accomplished.
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10/09/2013 10:14 am
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 Posted 10/09/2013  10:34 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ErrorCoins222 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It could be that the 89 was cleaned and unattractively retoned before you sent it in. The original pic might be hiding this.

Do they clue you in as to what method of conservation they used? All it looks like is a quick dip. I've seen coins that are conserved and actually given a numerical grade, so they don't automatically details grade a conserved coin.
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 Posted 10/09/2013  11:47 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Darth Morgan to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
NGC stated that the coin was covered in harmful residue, most likely from being in contact with tape at the end of a paper roll. I just thought it was light toning. I guess it was a combination of both. They did not give it a numerical grade because of the scratches on Liberty's face. NGC didn't explain how it was conserved. I'm assuming that the residue was simply removed. Gonna miss that toning. . . .
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10/09/2013 11:53 am
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Wouldnt the detail grade state that it was beause of the scratches then, instead of the improperly cleaned?

Will NCS conservation always end up with a detail grade in the NGC slab?
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 Posted 10/09/2013  11:59 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Darth Morgan to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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Wouldn't the detail grade state that it was because of the scratches then, instead of the improperly cleaned?

Will NCS conservation always end up with a detail grade in the NGC slab?


That's what I was expecting, so I was surprised when I saw the label. I was also expecting the coin to be housed in an NCS slab, but I have since found out that NCS no longer holders the coins they conserve. I think that even if NGC conserves a coin, they will still label it as IMPROPERLY CLEANED with a DETAILS label. That's just the way they see it, I guess. Like I stated before, though, I don't disagree with it. I would prefer if the label had stated "CONSERVED - RESIDUE REMOVED", or something to that effect.
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10/09/2013 12:00 pm
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Hmmm...stumbled onto this article on NGC...
http://www.ngccoin.com/news/viewart...ld-2000-Yuan

where they state "Numismatic Conservation ServicesĀ® (NCSĀ®), an affiliate of NGC, professionally conserved the coins prior to NGC grading and encapsulation."

So I guess not every coin conserved by NCS ends up in a detailed slab...
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If they hit with a details grade from the scratch it would appear it has nothing to do with the conservation. Some of the restoration coins will end up in details slabs some wont. Just depends what they have to do to get the gunk off and what they find underneath it. I doubt the graders even know their service worked on the coin unless they have their own submission line in grading room.
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 Posted 10/11/2013  12:17 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Darth Morgan to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The package arrived today, and I received all my coins safe and sound in their new holders.

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I'm going to take some close-up photos of the conserved Morgan this weekend and post them here. Too tired to mess with it tonight.
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