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Ugly Connecticut Copper For $2

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Pictures will come in a couple of hours, but I found an ugly Connecticut copper in a junk bin for $2. I looked through a Red Book and attributed it (I think... it's FR-2 at best, but the "E" in "INDE" is a filled blob), but I forgot to write down the catalog number, and it looks like attributing colonial coppers is endless, so I'll leave it up to the experts.

Anyway, I'm pretty happy about this, but once it's verified to be real I'll probably just toss it on ebay.
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Here are the pictures! Okay, it's a solid PO-1.
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Ugly-Connecticut-Copper-For-$2

And about how much would it go for? I'm not very good at American coin prices.
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$10?

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Great, that's a 500% profit.
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I'm looking through "large letters" bust left varieties, but haven't hit on this die marriage yet.
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Anything new?

Should this be in the Varieties forum?
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Still beating my head against this one. All I can say, is that with the clear AUCTORI, with the low A, high you tilted left, and low C, and the clear INDE with visible sprig, this is 100% attributable!
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Don't know anything really about early colonials, but for $2.00? That was a steal no matter what it turns out to be! History isn't usually that cheap to buy.
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I dug through a bunch of pictures, and I think the biggest difference is that the "AU" is markedly higher than the "C" that follows it.

Meanwhile, the "E" is a blob, and the branch is still visible (so it can't be a weak branch because it would be gone by now).

Attribution is hard...
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...but fun!
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p, my guess is 1787.
I'm going from there.

Yeah, about $10.
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p, look at M 4.1-G

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The C on this obverse is distinctly low, but not on 4.1, and the T should be closer to the O than the C:

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Reverse NN.1 has a style of sprig similar to this one. Any way to zero in on the reverses related to NN.1?
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The obverse pictured doesn't seem to match. The you and C are too close.
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Does the filled E mean anything, or is it just common for it to get blended together with heavy wear?
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I think it does, nalaberong. In 1786, diecutter Abel Buell (who went on to make the Fugio dies), was crafting Connecticut dies from a revolutionary new process: a common hub. There were a series of 1786 reverse dies that only differed in the tiny details like punctuation and the leaves on the sprig, which were only added to a new die after it was punched from the master hub. These dies all tend to a heavy, filled E in INDE.

Ladies and gentlemen, I give you 1786 Miller 6-K. A very important die marriage in the Connecticut series, as it was probably the first to feature the new draped bust toga, rather than mailed armor:

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Ugly-Connecticut-Copper-For-$2
What do you all think? A match?
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