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Question:

I have bid on an item... there is a minimum reserve placed on the item..

Now I have placed a bid.. .but it has't met the minimum reserve... nobody else is bidding on this item...

My "maximum" that I'm willing to bid on this item has not been met yet...

Is there any way to make my maximum bid count... and see if it will make the minimum reserve?
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 Posted 10/19/2013  6:03 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add YoshiRules to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
If you do not meet the min. amount wanted by the seller, then no coin for you.
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Well this sucks... the bidding has not gone up to my max... I would gladly bid more if I could....hopefully the seller re-lists the item...
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 Posted 10/19/2013  6:13 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add basebal21 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Your best bet is probably to just send them a message and ask what the reserve is.

If you dont meet the reserve and win the item you likely wont get the coin but the seller does have the option to accept that and sell anyway.
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Thnx for the tip... I did exactly that.... hopefully I can pick up the lot at some point.
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 Posted 10/19/2013  11:49 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Sap to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
As I understand the way ebay's reserve system works, if you bid and your max bid exceeds the reserve, then the price immediately jumps up to the reserve.

So if that hasn't happened, then your max bid is still less than the reserve price.

EBay help page on the topic.
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 Posted 10/20/2013  01:38 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add JimmyJames to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Don't get discouraged. I have won several coins even though I did not meet the reserve. I have been the highest bidder and gotten a Second Chance Offer for my maximum bid price after it did not sell.
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As I understand the way ebay's reserve system works, if you bid and your max bid exceeds the reserve, then the price immediately jumps up to the reserve.

So if that hasn't happened, then your max bid is still less than the reserve price.


I think you are correct! I recently was the first and only bidder on a coin and was a bit shocked that my high bid was shown as the current bid even though I was the first and only bidder. I thought it would show the seller's minimum/start, which was $0.99 UNTIL someone else bid on it. But it seems when the seller designates a reserve it registers as that if you are at or above it with your offer. IMO that is BS. You should never be over the minimum UNTIL someone else bids. I ended up being outbid, but I think they are WRONG/BAD to do this.

It is a hidden gotcha to help them sell more items but isn't consistent with the way all other auctions are done and with their policies on them. I do not think a reserve should change the rules like that! They should be forced to designate the RESERVE PRICE as their minimum accepted BID instead. That way you know what you are getting into! They shouldn't "punish" higher bidders like this and effectively reward lower-than-reserve bidders by leaving their bid alone and treating it like all others!!
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They shouldn't "punish" higher bidders like this and effectively reward lower-than-reserve bidders by leaving their bid alone and treating it like all others!!


Color me confused. I would have to assume you put in a bid equal to or higher than the reserve. It's my understanding that when you do so the bid immediately goes to the reserve level, but no higher. If your bid were to be put in at the lowest amount possible & no one else bid you would never meet the reserve & therefore would not be able to buy the item. If you are concerned that once the reserve has been met other people might bid then the obvious solution is to put your max bid in as a snipe.

For the record, I don't care for reserve auctions & rarely bid on one. If I'm selling I prefer to start auctions low. However, I have found that there are certain high value low demand items. When there are 2 or more bidders these type items will sell for their true value. If only one person happens to be looking for that particular item it may sell at the start price. On those type items I prefer to have a start price at the minimum I am willing to accept.
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Actually, it's quite consistent if you think of the reserve as once cent more than the owner is bidding to KEEP his/her item.

Now the whole concept of a reserve is sort of silly - if that's the minimum price you'll take, the auction should start there. Although the 0.99 + minimum does give the seller sight of SOME level of interest.
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I am saying that they are treating the reserve as a minimum bid instead of the 99cents the seller stated as their starting bid. Say the reserve is $200 on a 99cent auction. If you bid $199 it shows as 99cents until someone else bids then it will climb as they bid it up until it gets over your $199. But bid $200 and it STARTS at $200. That is silly and inconsistent! The reserve should not be "in play" in any way until the auction finishes. If, at that point, the highest bid is lower than the reserve then the item doesn't sell.

Using it as a "secret minimum" is unethical and deceptive. Doing it the way they are now, they should NEVER have the reserve be a secret! I don't know why it is anyway. Heritage makes it KNOWN and denotes it at as the minimum start bid. That would be fine, IMO. But to have an auction that says it starts at 99 cents but then uses the "secret reserve" as a starting bid if you happen to bid over it is just wrong and deceptive. It penalizes a higher early bid. Bad form!
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f your bid were to be put in at the lowest amount possible & no one else bid you would never meet the reserve & therefore would not be able to buy the item.


Really though thats the sellers problem if no one else bid on it. I do have to agree that someone else should have to trigger the bid instead of the reserve price trigger it otherwise youre just bidding against yourself.

At the very least there should have to be bidding activity and it should have to get within a certain range before that activates instead of being an opening bid for someone that just bids their max the first time.


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Doing it the way they are now, they should NEVER have the reserve be a secret! I don't know why it is anyway.


Its supposed to be an effort to drive bids basically. If you dont know what it is you have to guess and the idea is that will make people bid more. I'm not a fan of it being hidden either, even though thats the marketing strategy behind it.
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I am saying that they are treating the reserve as a minimum bid instead of the 99cents the seller stated as their starting bid. Say the reserve is $200 on a 99cent auction. If you bid $199 it shows as 99cents until someone else bids then it will climb as they bid it up until it gets over your $199. But bid $200 and it STARTS at $200. That is silly and inconsistent! The reserve should not be "in play" in any way until the auction finishes. If, at that point, the highest bid is lower than the reserve then the item doesn't sell.


It sounds like you are saying you are willing to pay your max bid if someone else bids high enough for the final price to reach the reserve but if no one else is interested at that price you aren't either. I completely understand not wanting to pay more than you need to. I don't understand the distinction between your maximum bid being "in play" due to other bid action as opposed to being "in play" due to the reserve. If you aren't interested in paying for the item if your max bid meets the reserve what possible reason could you have for making that bid?
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I don't see using reserves as unethical or deceptive. But I do see it as redundant. An auction system needs either reserves, or a minimum/starting bid price. But it does not need both. And, given that ebay buyers seem to universally dislike "hidden" reserves, it's an option whose continued existence puzzles me.

The concept of "reserves" is inherited from real-world, brick-and-mortar auctions. In many such auctions, vendors usually give the auction house two prices: an estimate (how much they would like to get), and a reserve (the minimum amount they will settle for). Sometimes the auction house calculates these for the vendors. The estimates are printed in the sale catalogue, the reserves are not (so they are "hidden" from everyone except the auctioneer). The auction begins at some price of the auctioneer's discretion but usually begins at some price around or slightly below the estimate. If there's no interest, the price comes down and down, Dutch-auction-style, until it hits the reserve. If there's still no interest at the reserve, then it doesn't sell. But this kind of usage for reserves is unnecessary on ebay, which functions more like an old-style pen-and-paper "silent auction" rather than a traditional auction.

Way back in 2004, ebay Australia instituted a new local policy: reserves were to be abolished for all items except for motor vehicles. I understand ebay Germany has done the same. I assume ebay's overlords are still evaluating the effectiveness of this policy before deciding whether to roll it out worldwide.
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basebal21 hit it on the head. I don't want to be bidding against myself. That is what they are setting up with this. If my bid is under the reserve then I am not bidding against myself and the current bid rises up as other bids are made. If I happen to bid at or over the reserve then my "supposedly secret" bid is revealed and prone to be outdone. It corrupts the whole process and is inconsistent with the way they do auctions otherwise.
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