What's Your Favorite VAM You Have Found?

Dave, I would be more than happy to have you work in my store. I only wish owning one was not just a dream.

Westcoin, Does EAC stand for Early American Coppers? I really like 2c piece coins too, but I know nothing about the varieties yet.

Kenny, Die gouges are cool too find. Keep looking at VAMworld. Every morgan & Peace dollar is a VAM. There are lots of cool ones out there still waiting to be identified!

Kris

I found this one back in the eighties. I don't think there are too many of these around.


http://www.vamworld.com/1921-P+VAM-19B

I gather the plate coin's yours? It's still the only one with a full Cud I've seen, although I've been through half a dozen EDS 19A's. No way too many of them got out.

My 19b was 1st published in Error Trends Coin Magazine in the 80's. I purchased it for $50. from a small time coin dealer in Somerset, PA. who said he bought it from someone in Hawaii. My hobby was collecting error coins at the time, especially off metals and Cuds. I sold the coin to an avid Cud collector from Dayton, OH who passed away many years ago. His name was Keith Klopfenstein. I lost track of the coin until Fred Weinberg wrote an article many years later......not sure if it was in Error Trends Coin Magazine or the Errorscope. The coin appears to be my discovery piece which was a Ch. AU example but I can't tell for sure. Not sure if Fred still has it but I'll bet he does. I didn't know the VAM significance of my find until years later. I am not sure when the VAM listings even started. I often wish I had that coin back but my budget was tight during that time and I could not afford to hold on to every coin I purchased. At least I can say I was the first to find that one and it may be truly unique if my example and Fred's are the same coin.

I love the collapsed die coins Dave. This is a note that will be on its way to Leroy, as well as the technical info from 2 of the guys I spoke with.



On that subject I have spoken with 2 die makers and a metallurgical engineer. Coins like the 1880 O V-45a and the 1891 O V-19 and alike from what I have been told are in fact "improperly hardened dies" They all stated that this effect is caused by the inside of the die being softer and as the die is struck the harder outer shell of the die stretches over the collapsing inner die. The reason why the relief's of these type coins hold onto their detail better, is due to the work hardening in manufacturing. I showed the 1880 O V-45a, 1891 O V-19, 1901 P V-20 to D. Dacone of Ohio High Speed Machine, he knew right away what the cause was. He stated that to properly harden a die the metal has to be the same temp inside of the die as the outside. If the core of the die or center part is not equal the metal will be softer and as the die is struck. The softer metal compresses and the outer shell of the die stretches into the collapsed or compressed area. This effect is best demonstrated on the 1880 O V-45a and the 1891 ) V-19

There are VAMs across the spectrum which show evidence of dies collapsing; it'd make an interesting specialty.

Dave, I spoke with Dan Carr today and we spoke for about 1/2 hour on this subject. He stated that a die that is really soft will belly out of round. The diameter of the die will mushroom out like if you put a marshmallow on a table and apply pressure to the top, he has had this happen with a die he prepared improperly. He is under the impression that this would come from a combination of slightly softer inner center die metal (AND) improper annealing of the die afterwards.

He stated that after you harden the die it becomes more brittle and would break or crack under the pressure in striking much faster. So after hardening the mint would (lightly Anneal the die's face). This is done to allow the striking surface a little give so the die life is extended. A combination of a more pliable surface and collapsing or compressing metal in a confined space will lead to this effect.

The type of metal, imperfections within the die blank and workmanship in manufacturing all can play an effect. From what I can make out there are about 30 odd die pairs that show some form of this effect. Compared to the whole number of die's manufactured its a very small number, so I believe that both D Dacone and D Carr are correct.

It is very fun to work on the "Why". As most issues are mechanical in nature, one would thing that things could be reproduced. None of us have a time machine, and the strange die states and clashing that occurred DID HAPPEN as we have the "Coins to prove something happened. When you eliminate the probable, we must look down the latter at the improbable.