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Ancient Coin - Is There Any Help For This Coin?

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 Posted 07/23/2014  11:06 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add GR58 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
This is another coin I picked up today.

I was thinking it might be a good coin to try and restore,
just to see what might be a good way.

Or maybe it is to far gone.

Any suggestions as to what might be the best way to improve this coin.

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 Posted 07/23/2014  11:14 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add echizento to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
There really isn't much more you can do to enhance other than removing the green slime. It appears to be a Late Roman Bronze (LRB)maybe constans of Constantius II.
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What would you suggest for the green slime?

lemon juice ... vinegar .. acid?
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It's not in great shape, but you may be able to ID it. If it is a thicker coin I think it could be an Alexandrian tetradrachm with an eagle standing left of the reverse. It looks as if the Greek word for "year" might be on the left side of the reverse.

It could be something like this:

http://www.vcoins.com/en/stores/mon...Default.aspx
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 Posted 07/24/2014  02:05 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Eddop to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
definitely a Tetradrachm, on the obverse right side ..KAPINOCC ?
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I do think any attempt at cleaning will really destroy the coins details, those that are left.

Interesting, that eagle reverse was mentioned. Eagle Rev
was written on the envelope it was in.

But I was thinking I see a person holding a spear in right hand and a shield in left.

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 Posted 07/24/2014  06:12 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add aleroe to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I think zapping(electrolysis) is the only way to get this in some proper shape, the coin can get worse ofc, but as the quality is as low as it is, i'd do it in a heartbeat.
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Zapping it would be a very hasty thing to do. I really don't like the idea at all.
The coin may have some type of oil or 'preservative' on it (based on its dark color).
You might try soaking it first in acetone or alcohol to remove any surface material.
Once it is cleaned off ...... If you still want to be 'aggressive' you might try a bath in ammonia.
Keep a close eye on it and try not to touch the surface. The green 'stuff' should begin dissolving quickly. After ten minutes rinse and dry and decide whether to proceed. The ammonia should turn blue green and will indicate the progress being made so change it each time you repeat. Remember though that what is done is done and with rare exeptions cannot be undone !

The coin is not extremely valuable but I advise you to proceed with caution. It took 17 centuries for the coin to get where it is today. Being hasty about conservation is risky.
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if any of that green stuff come off to a fingernail rub....treat aggressively. some of it may be BD...if so, that coin is in bad shape. get off as much as you can with a toothpick and soak in distilled water for a few days. throw out the old water, pick again, and resoak until happy (or happier at least). bake in an oven for 20 min. at 200 degrees when done.

if all of the green stuff is hard...never mind my instructions...wont help.

it is for sure an alexandrian tetracrachm, probably with an eagle reverse. if you look around the head of the eagle you may see a circular area..that would be a wreath in his beak.
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Everyone is seeing the eagle ... So it must be one.

I can see what your all seeing ... After looking at Vcoins some more.

The coin is at home .. I will see if I can do anything with it his afternoon.

Sitting at a LCS right now ....looking at more ancients.
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let me have it .. on how bad I have done so far.


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Not too bad really. A tad overdone on the obverse but we certainly can see it quite a bit better.
Legend is still obscure to me (Greek never was for me) but it is certainly an Alexandrian 'tet' of the later 3rd century. Based on the portrait (difficult at best) it looks to be either Aurelian or Probus. But that is merely a guess on my part.
Restrain yourself from doing anymore cleaning for now. The coin is pretty good.
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It does look a little better in hand than in the picture.

I think I need to try one that is not as bad. I am not sure how to get
all the green off.
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One trick that may help is to take a piece of paper (not heavy weight paper but something like notebook paper), lay it over the coin, and shade the paper with a pencil. You may be able to see some of the letters more clearly in the impression than on the coin itself.
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well, I'm surprised how much green stuff came off, but you've lost some patina.

how did you clean it GR?
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I know now ... I cleaned it the wrong way

I soaked it in ammonia a few times ...then scrubbed it with a
brass brush. I was thinking I really wanted to get the green off.

Now I understand, try to get the green off but leave the patina.

I did buy this one cheap, knowing I was going to use it for my first attempt
at cleaning/restore.

My wife last night found a picture of a Probus, that looked a lot like this one.
In hand some of the letters can be seen better.
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