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1880 Morgan Dollar - Striking Error? Missing Letters

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I was looking at this 1880 Morgan dollar and noticed that on the back side the letters "D" and "L" are missing from the work "DOLLAR" at the bottom of the coin. Above the missing "D", the end of one of the branches is also missing. Is this due to normal wear or is this possibly a striking error? Thanks for you help and opinions.


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Struck through grease.
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I once read that the mints used wood chips/sawdust to periodically scrub the dies. Regardless, be it grease, wood debris or some other foreign matter, this coin does appear to have been struck through something. While only considered a minor error, Morgan dollar errors seem to be in demand nowadays.

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Greaser.
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Thanks for the info!
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The woodchips/sawdust was used for drying and lightly polishing the planchets after annealing and cleaning.
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Thanks Conder for confirming the use of woodchips. Due to the comparative strength of the O in DOLLAR, appearing in stark contrast to the weakness flanking letters D & L, I'm inclined to suspect that it took more than grease to impede this strike.
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It was odd that the "O" is still there when the surrounding letters are missing. Suggestions as what my next steps should be? Take it to a coin shop?
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It's a strikethrough. Not at all odd to see non-consecutive letters in a die filled. Uncommon, but hardly unknown.
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What's odd to me about this strikethrough is folks claiming it was caused by grease. I would expect that grease would be more likely to spread upon impact, resulting in a more even blockage of the letters. It seems more logical to me that the impeding substance was less likely a liquid and more probably a solid, like wood particles ...

Understanding that this phenomenon is a fairly minor error, the fact that it's on a Morgan makes it more desirable than if it was on a smaller denomination coin, methinks.

BTW, welcome to the CCF, knockout192! If you want to sell it, I'd take it to a nearby coin show and see who the top error guy is there. Solicit his opinion and offer. I'm thinking that a serious collector of Morgan dollars would pay something of a premium for this coin. You could also visit a local coin club wherein there may well be some interested collectors.
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Thanks for the info and the advice. I will definitely take it to have it evaluated.
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Greasers are pretty common. Somebody here posted a Kennedy half one time that had just the bust showing. Incredible looking coin. I have no doubt whatsoever that grease caused this.
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Struck through grease...common and nothing special. No premium on this coin.
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While some Morgan specialists would not pay a premium on this coin, I'd bet that it would fetch a 50% premium or more in most any coin auction. It has much appeal to the average collector; especially, as it's not a high dollar date. Also, Morgan errors are very popular. While not a major error, it is prominent, eye-catching.
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What's odd to me about this strikethrough is folks claiming it was caused by grease. I would expect that grease would be more likely to spread upon impact, resulting in a more even blockage of the letters.


Keep in mind, all we're talking about here is a daub of grease the size of a large raindrop. That's all it takes to fill two or three letters in a Morgan die, and it's not inconceivable that those Victorian-era machines flung such droplets around occasionally in the course of their work. So it's a tiny amount of grease, randomly flung and possibly never even seen by the press operator. And you're right - 99 times out of 100 the first strike simply squishes the stuff out from between the dies at escape velocity.
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