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1942/1 Mercury Dime - Double Over-Date Or DDO? Please Help!

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Hello all, so this is another U.S rarity that I will soon be reintroducing to the U.S market, and I have a few very important questions about the piece, and I would really appreciate the help!!

Basically we have your typical 1942/1 Mercury dime, certified by PCGS as a 1942/1, graded F15. Here's my issue...
The obverse is clearly heavily doubled not just at the date, but the entire obverse. The piece displays the typical doubling of the 4, and the tip of the over dated one, but oddly it also shows heavy doubling of the 19 & 2 of the date, as well as the legend and portrait.
would this be then considered a 1942/2/1? Or a 1942/1 DDO? Is this a double-strike or possibly die re-engraving due to deterioration?

I really would appreciate everyone's thoughts & theory on this one!! Thanks!!




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that doesn't look like a 1942/1 but looks like the date of 1942 was repunched
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Worn die and/or Machine Doubling.
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Machine Doubling - great looking though, and kind of neat to have on an overdate coin IMO
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Boy, that 1 is just barley poking out or should I say up
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I was thinking MD too, except the common doubled 4 in the 42/1 overdate, is just as doubled as the 9 and 1. Is there a way to determine which of the doubling is MD, and which is repunching?
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I can't say I'm sure they got this one right. The spike of the 1 protruding below the 2 should be clearly visible in these images, and it isn't. I'm going to link PCGS' own page on the overdate below. Note that the whole date is doubled on their example as well.

http://www.pcgscoinfacts.com/Coin/Detail/145475
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All of it is Strike Doubling (MD). There is no hub doubling and there was no repunching going on in that era.
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It HAS to be a 42/1, because all the tells are there, including the tiny die crack on the reverse that joins the torch with the branch... it's a really faint 1, but extremely profound doubling of the entire 1942, MD or not... I'm confused...
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Have you checked the cert #? to see if it is genuine. I am no pro but I don't see a 42/1.
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Wow could this be a case of a dime with the correct date needed for a 42/ but it is only machine doubled at the correct spot making it seem like it is a true 42 overdate? Interesting thread.
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I am no pro but I don't see a 42/1



lets put it this way; I would not buy it as a 1942/1-d.
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The more I look at it. The more it looks just machine doubled. The doubling all looks like the same direction as well. Southwest
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The motto should also be slightly doubled, but its worn at this grade. I honestly think PCGS got mix up with this one.
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The motto is doubled as well, and the reverse shows the correct die crack. Cert # is genuine, and I am stumped. Haha...

Thanks to all for the help so far!

Is there anything I can do picture - wise to help you guys out? Angles? Different spots?
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It shows heavy Machine Doubling Damage, But I would have to agree I don't see any trace of the overdate and it should be clear. As to the crack on the reverse, is it possible this reverse was used with more than one obv? Or could it be a different rev with a similar crack?
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