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Kingdom Of Poland Coins By Century (963 - 1586)

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 Posted 11/04/2018  08:26 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add tdziemia to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I was thinking of keeping his reign together rather than splitting it.
And starting it at the beginning of next weekend, and allowing two weeks (at least?) for Sig III since his coins are so plentiful.
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Will post my last coin of Stefan Batory, another trojak, this time from the Riga mint dated 1586, the year of his death (Livonia had come under the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth in 1569).
I cannot find a Kopicki reference, but others are Gum.814 and Iger R.86.2.a
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 Posted 11/07/2018  5:41 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add tdziemia to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
As this thread winds down, I'll post a recent auction win (not received yet). More appropriate to last week, as it's from the reign of Zygmunt I.

Schilling/szelag/solidus minted in Gdansk, 1524. This is the earliest dated coin minted in Gdansk, and in addition is my my first example of this denomination during this reign. Kopicki 7262.
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Continuation of this thread into 1600s and 1700s starting with reign of Sigismund III has been started over here: http://goccf.com/t/332606
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I thought I would keep this thread going for anyone wishing to post new acquisitions.

I just won this 1536 Trojak (3 groschen)from the Elbing mint, which fills a gap in my type/mint collection for Sigismund I. These were minted 1535-1540, and I think Kopicki gives every date at least an R3, though Iger ranks them a bit lower on rarity.

Many of the Sigismund I trojaks have a very dark patination (I am guessing many of the brighter ones that show up at auction have been cleaned at some point). Interesting about the Elbing trojaks is that they do not bear the royal portrait. Sigismund I Trojaks from the other mints (a Gdansk example was posted a bit earlier) all have a portrait. Kopicki 7089(R3), Iger E.36.1.e(R2)

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I just won this 1536 Trojak (3 groschen)from the Elbing mint, These were minted 1535-1540, and I think Kopicki gives every date at least an R3, though Iger ranks them a bit lower on rarity.


Interesting continuation. Actually I'm looking forward to the post 1795 coinage as I know very little about Polish coinage during this time.

People apparently get quite involved with the Russian occupation coinage. I've nothing during this period and should learn more. I have a scattering of things from the 1920's and 30's tho.

I have a question on Gumowski. I've seen a used volume for sale but I think it's in German. It's an original printing from the 1960's I think. Should I look for a different version than the German?
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My version of Gumowski is a spiral bound (photo)copy I bought from Karl Stephens, probably ten to fifteen years ago (I think you mentioned you used to have one, too, but it was lost).
And it is in German. I don't know if an English translation exists. Gumowski also has some 84 pages of narrative in the beginning on the characteristics of the coinage of each reign. And a glossary of mintmasters' marks, Tables of historical weights and equivalents by reign, and so on (on the other hand, diametrs and weights are NOT given in the main part of the catalog)

I think Kopicki is more "granular" than Gumowski in the coin attributions. For example, Krakow half groats of Sigismund I are all Gum.480. for all dates between 1507 and 1523. I think Kopicki gives them individual numbers. But, if I understand correctly, it is in Polish.

For trojaks, a version of the Iger catalog is available on the WCN website: http://iger.wcn.pl/ Though it is in Polish, it is relatively easy to navigate (king/mint/year), the photos are clear, and if you need to read what differentiates between subtypes, you can again use the Google translator for the most part.

I don't have any kind of fluency in either German or Polish, but have been able to manage with the descriptions in Gumowski with a small vocabulary (krone, adler, lowen, reiter, schwert, brustbild, wappen, grosse , kleine etc.) and the Google translator.

Maybe more info than you needed, but it may help others who are looking for a Polish catalog.
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I just discovered this thread yesterday, and love the history. I have a few coins that fit this thread, and a couple more I am unsure of. I don't know much about these coins, so cannot really speak to their authenticity.

First is a 1539 Groschen from Prussia, and the second is a 1562 Sig II 1/2 Grosz from Lithuania.

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I also have a couple of different Madonna with Child coins from Hungary. One is a 1556 Ferdinand Dinar, and the second I haven't been able to ID.
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This one is a 1592 Sigismund III Dreigroschen (Riga under Poland).
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Hi, Jadey.

WOW! Nice contributions.

Since you've commented on the history ...
Your first coin has the image of Albrecht (Albert) of Prussia, who was an important historical figure. He was the last Grand Master of the Teutonic Knights, who controlled territory on the Baltic Sea, and were strongly allied to the Roman Catholic Church.
Following a personal meeting with Martin Luther in the 1520s, he (a) established Lutheranism as the state religion in his lands, and (b) pledged his loyalty to the King of Poland.

For the second coin ... Poland and Lithuania had a "personal union" starting in the 1380s when their royal dynasties were joined by marriage. So, starting from this time we see coins with the traditional insignia of both royal houses: the eagle of the old Polish Piast dynasty, and the "rider" (knight on horseback) of the Lithuanian Jagiello dynasty. This 1/2 groschen type (polgrosz in Poland) has the two emblems through the 16th century.

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... And that's a really attractive Riga dreigroschen of Sigismund III.
In the 16th and 17th century, there was constant warfare in the eastern Baltic, first between Poland and the Teutonic Knights (early 16th), then Sweden (late 16th/early 17th), and eventually Russia. The Polish-Lithuanian commonwealth reigned over parts of Livonia from 1569 to 1629, when Sweden drove them out. So, we see coins minted in RIga under Polish authority during the reigns of Stefan Bathory (there is a 1586 Riga dreigroschen with his portrait earlier in the thread) and Sigismund III.

We've continued the discussion of Polish coins starting with Sigismund III reign over here: http://goccf.com/t/332606
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He was the last Grand Master of the Teutonic Knights

I want a title like that. From now on, my kids will no longer be calling me Dad.

But seriously, the history is very interesting and complicated. These are the type of people that effectively made history, and about which we read, but it makes you wonder what it was like for the commoners during all these wars and struggles.

I would love to find a video that shows a map of the region and shows the borders shifting chronologically. I think that type of thing would be fascinating to see for various regions, but I've never found one.
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@Jadey Nice Lithuanian half-groat 1562, seventeenth Eagle on obverse, twenty-ninth Knight on reverse, 4SA114-29 by Ivanauskas, R in his book'2014.
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Nice Lithuanian half-groat 1562,




Your RIga trojak is Iger R.92.1.b (Obv legend ends in LI, dots after D and G instead of crosses.)
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Continuing to use this thread for new Poland/Lituania acquisitions pre-1586...
This is a fairly common type issued by Sigismund II between 1545-66 that we've seen several times on this thread. Just received this auction win (still some luster in the fields, though my photo doesn't pick it up). 1551 polgrosz (1/2 groat) Kopicki 3243, Ivanauskas 4SA46-13:
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