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1859 Seated Half For Grading

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MS-64 unless there is just a little rub on the front of the eagle's legs. I looked at this one a long time and decided I could just be seeing a little variation in the toning as the rest of the coin looked clean. If it's not MS, it gets a 58.
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I see it as about AU-55
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I will go with XF45
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Same, EF-45++. Beautiful in every way.
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AU 53 to me
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This one is graded ms-62 by PCGS. Kind of makes you wonder again what % of Seated coins were well-dipped in MS grades. When you really think about the storage methods back then, there shouldn't be any blast white ms graded coins.
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This one is graded ms-62 by PCGS. Kind of makes you wonder again what % of Seated coins were well-dipped in MS grades. When you really think about the storage methods back then, there shouldn't be any blast white ms graded coins.


That......is..........amazing.

For giggles I pulled up an old Heritage auction for a PCGS XF45 for comparison. Guess which one is a ~$200 coin and which one is an ~$800 coin?

https://coins.ha.com/itm/seated-hal...ot=1&x=0&y=0

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Well, buy the coin, not the holder.
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Those two look very similar, BH. But if a pro were to apply a well executed dip, I'm sure the first coin would look more like a ms coin. I think what fools us is the allusion that dipped coins create. Perhaps why most MS Seated coins have been dipped is due to collector expectations that MS coins should be blasty white and that there is less demand for crusty original MS examples like this one. On the flip side, another member had me totally fooled with a dipped au-50 1870CC Seated dollar recently. At fist glance it looked like a MS coin and given his portfolio, it wouldn't surprise me that he had such a valuable coin. Some well-dipped Seated coins with exceptional strikes continue to fool me.
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Doesn't look mint state to me. Nice and original, but looks to have definite rub on breasts and leg. Seems like a blatant overgrade from PCGS....
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I see no rub on the breasts whatsoever. That was the main reason I could agree with PCGS's assessment. I see slight discoloration on the cheek but I'm not sure that is rub. The knee is open for debate. The reverse I believe is a bad strike. The left shoulder and arm look untouched.
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