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Broadstruck 1944 Lincoln Struck Through Something Very Hard?

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Hello Everyone! Hope you're having a nice evening. ANACS Broadstruck with Indent AU58... I don't think that's the whole story. It looks like a strike through, of something hard enough to crack the reverse die through the planchet (think 1804 1/2C's C-3 and C-5: pre and post screw damage, the popular Spiked Chin). What could possibly be laying on top of the obverse die that will broadstrike, under a planchet, and is hard enough to crack the reverse die? We can see the weak part of the rim on the obverse around 3:00, between the edges of the strike through. Was it part of the retaining collar that struck through? Thoughts?
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Interesting looking...looks streched out all over. Other than that...I have no idea?
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Almost appears to be a small indent error with broadstruck as your description points out... I am kinda wondering myself if the overlying blank which caused the indent was itself the hard object which cracked the reverse die? Very interesting double error!
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Dr. coop should have some thoughts about this.
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"I am kinda wondering myself if the overlying blank which caused the indent was itself the hard object which cracked the reverse die?":
It can't be a planchet that caused the 'indent'; it had to have a hollow center because the rim is seen. It must be something else
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Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but Partial Indents are usually another coin (same denomination) - this isn't so I'm not sure what caused it, but given the reverse is intact, sure looks like a genuine error.
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Super cool find, thanks for sharing. Where did you find this?
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@old, can you please post the diameter of this cent? Thx.
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jadenusa: in an on-line auction I look for strike-throughs (had a Capped Bust 50c struck through a pencil-that was interesting)
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The diameter seems to be smaller than a dime. The inner upper edge seems to dovetail like a clipped planchet does. It was wartime - what else foreign was the mint making at the time? Could that be a factor? Just thinking out loud.
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"The diameter seems to be smaller than a dime. The inner upper edge seems to dovetail like a clipped planchet does."
It also looks like it may be reeded (there is also a fine saw-tooth like impression at the bottom outer edge of the coin at strike-through). I'll know Wednesday. If you look closely, the impression is uneven: it is struck with more force at the bottom of it, tipping it ever so slightly so that the upper part of the die couldn't completely squash it, thus the rim fadeout there, while it remains crisp at the bottom. As an aside, I've been looking for any 1944-P cent with a diecrack at 12:30 from the rim to Lincoln's Head-no go there-so maybe both dies were retired after this one
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Sorry I wasn't clear. Can you please post the diameter of the cent (not estimate the diameter of the indent)? In order to confirm if this coin was broadstruck, I'd like to know the diameter. Thx.
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Here it is in the holder; I can have spec info in a couple of days
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had a Capped Bust 50c struck through a pencil-that was interesting

Out of curiosity, do you still have this struck through CBH? I don't mean to change subjects, but I would love to see it. You also have your email disabled so I am not able to send you a private message.
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Ok yep very nice to see the holder label. Thx for adding that and I'm still interested to hear the diameter if you can provide an estimate. Thx.
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