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oriole Pillar of the Community Canada 5255 Posts	Posted 01/02/2024 1:54 pm East africa 1 shilling 1942: 25 % Report this Post to the Staff
erafjel Pillar of the Community Sweden 2124 Posts	Posted 01/02/2024 2:11 pm So here it is: France, liard de Bretagne, 1492-1498. 0.239 silver (3 deniers argent-le-roi). Report this Post to the Staff
tdziemia Pillar of the Community United States 7963 Posts	Posted 01/02/2024 4:32 pm Thank you! Yesterday's accounting of 20-29% has been updated with coins seen up to this point. Anyone got a lead on 26% (3 deniers 6 grains =0.260) or 27% (3 deniers 8 grains = 0.266)? I've seen one or two of each in medieval Low Countries, but all uncommon types. Edited by tdziemia 01/02/2024 4:36 pm Report this Post to the Staff
oriole Pillar of the Community Canada 5255 Posts	Posted 01/02/2024 5:31 pm Are there any coins with 26 or 27%? When we switch to the next level down, I do have a 19% ready to pop in. Report this Post to the Staff
january1may Pillar of the Community Russian Federation 5178 Posts	Posted 01/02/2024 5:54 pm Quote: I've seen one or two of each in medieval Low Countries, but all uncommon types. Numista also mentions a 0.270 double mite from Namur. Judging by previous descriptions I'd say that 0.270 seems a bit too high for a double mite... in any case it's probably not a particularly common coin either. Report this Post to the Staff
tdziemia Pillar of the Community United States 7963 Posts	Posted 01/02/2024 8:08 pm Quote: Numista also mentions a 0.270 double mite from Namur. Thanks for pointing that out j1m. GH catalog says that should be 2.6% so I will get it corrected. Quote: Are there any coins with 26 or 27%? I just put in an offer on one of the 26% types. Unlike "How Far Back" we don't need to get all the compositions before advancing to the next slice. Edited by tdziemia 01/02/2024 9:59 pm Report this Post to the Staff
HondoB Bedrock of the Community United States 25618 Posts	Posted 01/03/2024 02:25 am Quote: I just put in an offer on one of the 26% types. Paralyse's Westphalia 10 centimes appealed to me because of my French heritage so I've got a 20 centimes on order. Inordinately fascinated by bits of metal with strange markings and figures Report this Post to the Staff
erafjel Pillar of the Community Sweden 2124 Posts	Posted 01/03/2024 05:00 am Quote: Anyone got a lead on 26% (3 deniers 6 grains =0.260) or 27% (3 deniers 8 grains = 0.266)? Not much 26 % from France, but that seems to become covered anyway. For 27 %, there are a number of French royal medievals. I have none of them, but in case someone sits on one . . . 3 d. 8 gr. (0.266): Philippe VI, double tournois 2nd type, 1st em., 1348: https://www.cgb.fr/philippe-vi-de-v...69695,a.html John II, blanc/gros aux quadrilobes, 1st em., 1354: https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces180338.html John II, gros au lis, 2nd em., 1358: https://www.cgb.fr/jean-ii-le-bon-g...48850,a.html Charles VI, florette, 5th em., 1419: https://www.cgb.fr/charles-vi-le-fo..._0792,a.html Dauphin Charles in the name of Charles VI, florette, 6th-7th em., 1419: https://www.cgb.fr/dauphin-charles-..._0603,a.html Charles VII, blanc aux 3 lis, 3rd em., 1426: https://www.cgb.fr/charles-vii-le-v..._0834,a.html 3 d. 9 gr. (0.270): John II, gros à la queue, 1st em., 1355: https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces311636.html There are a few more in Duplessy, but they seem to be too rare to find a picture of. Note that it is important to have the precise emission, earlier emissions will typically have more silver, and later ones less. Edited by erafjel 01/03/2024 05:03 am Report this Post to the Staff
tdziemia Pillar of the Community United States 7963 Posts	Posted 01/03/2024 08:08 am Purchased but not yet in hand (and not yet in Numista, though N#98269 differs only in the mint), this undated 1 groot coin of the County of Holland (1506-1520) is 26% silver (0.259). The obverse legend is MO ARG ARCHID AVST DVX BG CO H for "Silver coinage of the Archduke of Austria, Duke of Burgundy and Count of Holland." I guess Emperor Charles V was too modest to use his name And, since we still have a hole at 46%, this undated (1521-1555) 1/2 real of the Duchy of Brabant N#44048 in the same shipment, will fill that gap (this one is a fairly common type). Interesting transition from gothic (the first coin) to modern lettering (this coin) during the reign of Charles V. I think this transition was going on in many parts of Europe (we will also see this over the next few weeks in "How Far Back"). Also interesting about this coin is that it was struck for all parts of the "Spanish Netherlands" (Brabant, Flanders, Gelderland, Holland, Namur and Overijssel) with identical design and legends, with only the mintmark differentiating the province. Edited by tdziemia 01/03/2024 08:24 am Report this Post to the Staff
tdziemia Pillar of the Community United States 7963 Posts	Posted 01/03/2024 3:23 pm We've now got 9 of the 10 possible compositions in the 20-29% range. Let's give one more day for anyone to come up with 27%. I will post the revised comprehensive list tomorrow, then we move on to 10-19% on Friday. Several contributors have already mentioned they have contributions, so it will be fun to see what appears! Report this Post to the Staff
NumisRob Bedrock of the Community United Kingdom 18009 Posts	Posted 01/04/2024 01:44 am We've had the shilling, but here's a 1924 25% silver East Africa 50 cents: My Trade List: https://goccf.com/t/194596 My Wants List: https://goccf.com/t/191710 Edited by NumisRob 01/04/2024 01:45 am Report this Post to the Staff
tdziemia Pillar of the Community United States 7963 Posts	Posted 01/04/2024 2:03 pm Here is where our comprehensive list stands after adding in the new contributions in the 20-29% slice (and some for earlier compositions). I think we are at 43 compositions out of a possible 50 thus far, and with leads identified for the missing ones 69% Poland ¼ thaler 1657 KM#A94 (tdziemia) 68% France 20 francs 1930s KM#879 (erafjel, Hondo Boguss) 67% France 30 sols 1792 KM#606 (ironhorse) ........Germany / Prussia 1/3 thaler KM#303 (spence) 65% Costa Rica 25 centimos 1924 KM#168 (NumisRob) ........Portugal 50 escudos 1971 KM#601 (triggersmob) 64% Austria 5, 10 schillings KM#2882, 2889 (Hondo Boguss) ........Curacao ½ guilder 1941 KM#44 (Hondo Boguss) ........Curacao 1/10 guilder 1944 KM#43 (january1may) ........Netherlands 5 cents 1859 KM#91 (spence) ........Netherlands 25 cents KM#164 (triggersmob) 63% Germany 5 marks 1958 KM#123.1 (mrwhatisit) ........Poland 2 gulden 1770 KM#186.2 (tdziemia) 62% Flanders 4 stuivers 1540 N#96940 (tdziemia) 60% Straits Settlements 20 cents 1927 KM#30b (Hondo Boguss) ........Sweden 25 öre 1907 KM#775 (triggersmob) Also noted that the pegione of Milan circa 1400 was at around 66%, and that the Kutch 1/2 kori (Y-13) is at 61%. (Note: for some of the Kutch coins listed at 0.61 in Numista, KM has them at 0.601). 59% Poland 2 zlote KM#C-123 (tdziemia) 58% Austria 20 kreuzer KM#1999 (paralyse) .......Dutch Republic/Holland, 2 stuivers, KM#48 (spence) .......Hungary, 20 krajcar, KM#432 (paralyse) .......Spanish Netherlands/Brabant escalin KM#47 (tdziemia) 57% Nethelands 5 cents KM#52 (BCTokens) ........Liege escalin KM#165 (paralyse) 56% German States/Prussia 1/6 thaler KM#299 (spence) .......German States/Oldenburg 28 stubuer KM#40(Jever) (paralyse) 55% Ceylon 10 cents KM#109a (oriole) 54% Poland 4 groszy 1767 KM#185 (tdziemia); KM has this at 55% 52% Austria ¼ Florin KM#2214 (oriole) 51% Poland 4 groschen 1787 KM#208.1 (tdziemia); KM has at 55% 50% Australia florin 1958 KM#60 (triggersmob) ........Canada 25 cents KM#62a, 68a (DBM) ........Egypt 2 quirsh 1944 KM#369 (Hondo Boguss) ........France 10 euros 2011 (NumisRob) ........German States/Bavaria 20 kreuzer KM#549.1(paralyse) ........Great Britain florin KM#817a, crown KM#836 (NumisRob) ........Great Britain halfcrown KM#818.2 (paralyse) ........Great Britain 3p KM#848, 6p & shilling KM#852, 853 (Hondo Boguss) ........India ½ rupee 1945 KM#552 (Hondo Boguss) ........New Zealand ½ Crown 1935 KM#5 (Hondo Boguss) ........Peru 1 sol 1931 KM#218.2 (Hondo Boguss) ........Poland 1 gulden 1664 KM#120 (tdziemia, paralyse) ........Portugal 1000 escudos KM#731, 10 euros 2010 (hfjacinto) ........Russia 10 kopeks KM#Y20a (paralyse) ........South Africa 50 cents KM#62 (Hondo Boguss) ........USSR 10, 15, 20 kopeks KM#Y80-82 (january1may) Noted that the 1/6 talara coin of the Duchy of Warsaw, KM#C85 under Poland is 53%. 49% German States/Saxony-Albertine 1/12 thaler KM#638 (paralyse) 48% Burgundian Netherlands/Brabant 2 gros N#95425 (tdziemia) .......France, blanc Charles VI (1385-1389) (erafjel) 46% Duchy of Brabant ½ real N# (tdziemia) 45% Poland 6 groschen KM#42 (tdziemia) 44% German States/Hamburg doppelschilling KM#419 (spence) .......German States/Hamburg 4 schilling (KM#359.1) and 8 schilling KM#367 (paralyse) .......German States/Prussia 1/12 thaler KM#298 (paralyse) 42% Mexico 50 centavos KM#448 (ariette) 41% Burgundian Netherlands/Brabant 2 gros N#104038 (tdziemia) 40% Burgundian Netherlands/Flanders, briquet N#248787 (tdziemia) .......France, blanc Charles VII N#4633 (erafjel) .......French Indochina 10 cents KM#14 (erafjel) .......Sweden I krone KM#814 (paralyse) .......Sweden 5 kronor KM#839 (triggersmob) .......U.S. Eisenhower dollar (jbuck, paralyse, kbbpll) .......U.S. Kennedy half (paralyse) I know from this thread http://goccf.com/t/457142 that 47% exists (maybe someone has an Ottoman zolota?). Aso noted by january1may that medieval Brabant 2 gros coin N#309707 is 43%. 38% German States/Baden 6 kreuzer KM#140 (paralyse) ........German States/Nassau 6 kreuzer KM#53 (paralyse) ........German States/Prussia 2 ½ groschen KM#486 (mrwhatisit) ........Lithuania ½ groat Alexander N#31088, 343561 (DBM, january1may) ........Lithuania ½ groat Sigismund I N#63424, 130413 (january1may, DBM) ........Lithuania ½ groat Sigismund II N#35047, 104468, (tdziemia) ........Sweden 1/24 Riksdaler KM#522 (paralyse) 37% Poland 1 groat KM#163 (tdziemia) 36% Lithuania groat KM#10 (tdziemia) 35% Dominican Republic ½ peso KM#15 (ariette) ........Finland 1 markka KM# 49 (triggersmob) ........German States/Saxe-Meiningen 6 kreuzer KM#134 (paralyse) ........U.S. Jefferson War Nickel (Hondo Boguss, jbuck, paralyse) 34% Lithuanian groat 1566 N#46216 (tdziemia) 33% France 10 euro Le Mans KM#3229 (Numisrob) ........German States/Baden 3 kreuzer KM#211 (spence) ........German States/Bavaria 3 kreuzer KM#800 (paralyse) ........German States/Frankfurt 3 kreuzer KM#373 (paralyse) ........German States/Wurttemburg 3, 6 kreuzer KM#572, 577 (paralyse) 32% France, Charles VIII dizain N#34529 (erafjel) 31% German States/Mecklenberg-Schwein schilling KM#273 (paralyse) ........German States/Prussia 6 groscher KM#A297 (spence) ........German States/Prussia 1/24 thaler KM#296 (paralyse) ........Italy/Papal States-Bologna muraiola KM#146? (january1may) ........Silesia/Schweidnitz ½ groat N#65413 (tdziemia) 30% France denier tournois Louis IX N#42076 (erafjel) ........Mexico 25, 50 centavos, peso KM#443, 449, 457 (Hondo Boguss) Noted by @paralyse that some 18th century Venetian coins KM#502, 504, 545, 575 are at 39%. 29% Poland 6 groszy KM#155 (tdziemia) 28% County of Flanders 1 groot N#98102 (tdziemia) 26% County of Holland 1 groot N#98269 (tdziemia) 25% East Africa 1 shilling KM#28 (oriole) .......East Africa 1/2 shilling KM#20 (NumisRob) .......German States/Hamburg sechsling KM#585 (paralyse) 24% France/Brittany liard 1492-1498 N#178499 (erafjel) 23% Poland Elbing schilling N#107714 (tdziemia) 22% German States/Hanover 1 groschen KM#236 (spence, paralyse) ........German States/Saxe-Weimar-Eisenach 1/2 & 1 gr KM#198, 199 (paralyse) ........Lithuania 1 denar N# 46192, 175323 (january1may) ........Lithuania 2 denars N#36694, (tdziemia) ........Poland 1 denar #175270 (january1may) ........Turkey/Ottoman 5 kurus KM#591 (mrwhatisit) 21% France 30 deniers KM#378.1 (january1may) ........French Guiana 2 sous KM#1 (Hondo Boguss) ........German States/Mecklenberg-Schwerin 1/48thaler KM#311 (paralyse) 20% German States/Westphalia 10 centimes KM#96 (paralyse) Noted by erafjel that there are some 27% coins from medieval France. Tomorrow onward to the next silce! Edited by tdziemia 01/04/2024 2:05 pm Report this Post to the Staff
HondoB Bedrock of the Community United States 25618 Posts	Posted 01/04/2024 3:07 pm It's quite a list, tdziemia! There will probably be slim pickings in the 10% - 20% range. I've got one common one. Also a few ancients that are billon, but without an XRF their composition will remain a mystery. Inordinately fascinated by bits of metal with strange markings and figures Report this Post to the Staff
jbuck Moderator United States 189767 Posts	Posted 01/04/2024 3:34 pm Quote: Tomorrow onward to the next silce! Quote: It's quite a list, tdziemia! Indeed! Coin Collector Since 1978 Avatar Old Avatar 7070 Eisenhower Australia Canada World CCF Members on eBay CCF eBay Search Engine Report this Post to the Staff
tdziemia Pillar of the Community United States 7963 Posts	Posted 01/04/2024 7:35 pm Quote: It's quite a list, tdziemia! There will probably be slim pickings in the 10% - 20% range. Yeah, I think it will get tougher the rest of the way. But in every slice thus far, we have done better than I ever imagined! I think at least five compositions are "in the bag" for the next slice: 10% (a common 20th century North American coin), 12.5% and a couple of others that have been mentioned in the last few days. We'll see! Report this Post to the Staff
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