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Post Your Old Times Deniers And Pennies (600-1700 C. E.)

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 Posted 07/18/2024  11:20 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Errers and Varietys to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Nice one, Spence.
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OK, here is mine - graded by NGC but dated on the slab by the years he was King - they didn't bother to investigate it any further.
I can date this coin from 1310-1314 By its identifying markers to a type 11b as indicated from:

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Coins of type 11b are identifiable by a combination of the group 11 crown (broken left ornament, toadstool-shaped right ornament, sharply hooked right side-fleur with thin stalk) and the letters C and E, which have angular backs

https://www.ukdfd.co.uk/pages/edwar...m#Group%2011

So a bit of history:

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Edward II (born April 25, 1284, Caernarvon, Caernarvonshire, Wales—died September 1327, Berkeley, Gloucestershire, England) was the king of England from 1307 to 1327. Although he was a man of limited capability, he waged a long, hopeless campaign to assert his authority over powerful barons.

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The fourth son of King Edward I, he ascended the throne upon his father's death (July 7, 1307) and immediately gave the highest offices to Edward I's most prominent opponents. He earned the hatred of the barons by granting the earldom of Cornwall to his frivolous favourite (and possible lover), Piers Gaveston.

https://www.britannica.com/biograph...g-of-England

So here is King Edward II 1310-1314 - 1 penny
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@Dearborn, I think you posted that one upthread, though without the nice histrical context, which I enjoyed reading.

Another "Polish" denar for me, from the 13th century.
Also one with shifting attributions. When purchased four years ago, it was attributed to the Bishopric of Krakow. However, a recent sale by one of Poland's most prestigious auction houses now attributes it to Henry II "the Pious" of Silesia (1238-1241).
Given the depiction of St. Wenceslaus who figures so prominently in Bohemia, I guess it makes sense, as Silesia was increasingly under the influence of Bohemia through the 12th-15th centuries.
Just goes to show that nuismatic scholarship is a dynamic process.

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Nice Addition tdz on your denier

and you are correct - I didn't go back and check which one I put up.. my bad - I'll get my Edward I ready but I think I need to check the date range allowable in this topic..
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ok here he is: King Edward I - 1272-1307 reining years
I dated mine to 1280 as a Type 2a

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Coins of type 2a are very similar to those of type 1d, in all respects except the crown. The crown of 2a is from a single punch, and has a thin headband, which is shaped to the ornaments. The left leaf of the central fleur is usually incomplete as a result of damage to the punch. (The crown of 1d is composite, and has a wide plain headband and 'detached' ornaments.) The N's of 2a are usually reverse-barred, but normal N's also occur. Contractive marks are wedges. The neck of type 2a is short and the drapery is wider than that of 2b.

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https://www.ukdfd.co.uk/pages/edwar...tm#Group%202

and the History:

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Edward I (born June 17, 1239, Westminster, Middlesex, England—died July 7, 1307, Burgh by Sands, near Carlisle, Cumberland) was the son of Henry III and king of England in 1272-1307, during a period of rising national consciousness. He strengthened the crown and Parliament against the old feudal nobility. He subdued Wales, destroying its autonomy; and he sought (unsuccessfully) the conquest of Scotland. His reign is particularly noted for administrative efficiency and legal reform. He introduced a series of statutes that did much to strengthen the crown in the feudal hierarchy. His definition and emendation of English common law has earned him the name of the "English Justinian."


and the coin:
1280 King Edward I - 1 penny
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Nice!
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More nice additions.
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My last 13th century Polish coin, from the Duchy of Kujavia, 1236-1248.
Polish coins from this era are kinda scarce, as the Kingdom had fragmented back into the many small duchies, counties and margraviates that had been assembled together by the early Piast kings. Coins in good shape are rather pricey, so I settled for one with some damage (here you can view what a whole one looks like:
https://www.numisbids.com/n.php?lot...lot&sid=5660 I figure losing less than 1/6 of the coin, but getting it at 1/6 the price was fair )

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1280 King Edward I - 1 penny

Thanks, Dearborn! Nice to see some pennies here too!

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My last 13th century Polish coin, from the Duchy of Kujavia, 1236-1248. - - - Coins in good shape are rather pricey, so I settled for one with some damage

Interesting design. I think the horseman is in better shape on your coin than on the one you link to.
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Yes, I thought the one I got had a pretty good strike for the type, and was surprised it sold relatively low depsite the lion taking a bite out of it.
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