Post Your Papal States Coins - Reverse Chronological Schedule By Ruler

thank you Errers!

Yeah, I know - but he is no longer going in reverse order, and this is a coin with the Pope on it.

Great examples Bacchus2

I like the Vatican City coin Dearborn.

Perhaps start a specific thread for Vatican City coins? There are rather a lot of different types as they seemed to issue a new set every year for about 40 years. I purposely didn't post any of mine here as it would just swamp the thread and deflect if from Papal States which was a separate entity.

I picked up this Papal States, Gregory XVI 1837 half Baiocco from the Bologna mint recently.This coin type was issued for 11 years between 1835 and 1845. It was additionally issued at both the Rome and the Bologna mints for some years. On top of that the Popes regnal year straddles the calendar year, all of which results in 28 different coins to collect to complete the series. I have 4 - so some way to go yet!



Looking back to the start of the thread I noticed I never posted any of the other half Baiocco's issued by this Pope - So here they are to compare and contrast.

The 1836 version from Bologna which even though was minted a calendar year earlier than the coin above - it shares the same regnal year as in "GREGORIVS.XVI"


The 1836 version from Rome



The 1836 version from Rome

Nice additions Bacc!

On - here we have a bit of a mystery. Just before Christmas I posted a 1721 half Baiocco of Innocent XIII. Then I recently acquired another 1721 half Baiocco of Innocent XIII with quite a different reverse ornamentation and different obverse legend. The only reference for this I have is my Krause which lists a 1921 coin for the city of Gubbio. It's not on Numista.

New one:
This one has the obverse legend: INNOC. XIII PONT MAX. It's clearly dated 1721


This is the other coin image again for ease of comparison.
Here , unfortunately, the obverse legend is partially obscured but it seems to be INN. XIII P MAX - there doesn't seem to be room for any regnal year which suggests it's also dated 1721.



It seems unlikely that two different coin styled would be issued from the same mint in the same year for no apparent reason so they must be from different mints. Probably not from Ferrara as that city seemed to put the city name on it's coins frequently.

So that really only leaves Rome - which also commonly put "ROM" on it's copper coins from this era.

I have 2 Krause catalogues for this era,. The 1st edition which is problematic as it only seems to start the Papal States references around 1740 (even though it a 1701-1800 book and it even refers to the section as "Vatican City / Papal states) and the 5th edition which unfortunately doesn't show any relevant images and only starts listing half biaocco's from Rome at 1738.

I suspect the "INNOC. XIII PONT MAX" coin above is from Rome and the INN. XIII P MAX coin is from Gubbio - but am not certain.

Happy to take any comments.

Thanks to all (and especially Bacchus2) for keeping the thread going during my inexcusable absence .

To answer one question ...
Papal States ceased to exist in 1861 or thereabouts. That's why the thread started with Pius IX coins. Numista groups Vatican and Papal States coins together, but from an historical viewpoint, there was a long discontinuity between the two entities (68 years), the amount of territory changed vastly, from 20,000 square miles for the Papal States to 0.2 sq mi for Vatican City. Most other numismatic treatments handle them as two completely different issuers, so the original intent was to cover only Papal States.
Bacchus however points out that the continuity of the papacy as the ruling authority means that there are some interesting historical "echoes" in the coin designs between the eras. So it's interesting to see those linkages with Dearborn's ccontribution.

I will look into the question on those half baiocco coins.

Mystery solved (maybe).

As Bacchus2 pointed out, the Ferrara half baiocco of Innocent XIII was only struck with the mint name on the reverse, ruling out this possibility.
All other half baioccos I can find are all attributed to the Gubbio mint (none to Rome). The one with the free-flowing wreath reverse has the obverse legend INN XIII P M A II which is partially worn off on Bacchus2's example, and on many others, but can be seen on this one:

Copyright Numismatica Ranieri

Since Innocent's reign began mid-1721, regnal year II places this type at 1722-1723. The catalog reference is Muntoni 55.
Neither KM-100 nor KM-101 fits. KM-100 describes the reverse as "without circle" but for a coin dated 1721 (which Bacchus' coin is not). KM-101 is for an undated coin of regnal year II, but the reverse description is "Value within cartouche," and I wouldn't exactly call this a cartouche, but maybe this is the better fit.

Also correct that Numista is missing the type so I will submit it.