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Is This PCGS 1889 CC Morgan Counterfeit?

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 Posted 05/25/2025  11:54 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add RPT to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
It doesn't come up in the PCGS data base.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/157005895087

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 Posted 05/25/2025  12:31 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Greasy Fingers to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Date sure looks odd to me...my spidey senses says Yes.
I'm no pro on Morgans, so waiting to see what others think....
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 Posted 05/25/2025  12:47 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Jakes Coins to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Definitely a fake
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PCGS cert # not coming up is definitely a red flag to me. As greasy mentioned, date looks off.... https://www.pcgs.com/auctionprices/...768765600023
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This seller has sold several 1889CC Morgans recently. One with the same certification number (doesn't show up in a PCGS site search) sold on 4/27. Looks like two different coins with the same bogus cert number. All this seller's coins look questionable. I would say that this is certainly a counterfeit coin and that this seller is making a good living selling them. This particular auction is about to end with 10 bids at $2300 right now. I can only hope this is shill bidding.
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I agree, it is a counterfeit
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1look counterfeit.
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New Seller with only 5 sales (all PCGS slabbed 1889CC sold in a month). Agree, date looks funny. Counterfeit. In this case, the slab gave bidders a false sense of security.
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This "1889 CC Morgan" sold for $2300. Pictures for posterity:
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Invalid cert number and no refund = "no thanks"!

100% a counterfeit coin and slab.

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Invalid cert number and no refund = "no thanks"! 100% a counterfeit coin and slab.


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Let's see.
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4 . All magically are1889 CC Morgan's .
Don't just walk away , rocket away !!
Definitely counterfeit.
A little visit from the Secret Service might
be a suggestion.
To add .. ebay no longer cares !
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Thanks for sharing. Clearly a counterfeit.
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Let's see.
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4 . All magically are1889 CC Morgan's .
Don't just walk away , rocket away !!
Definitely counterfeit.
A little visit from the Secret Service might
be a suggestion.
To add .. ebay no longer cares !


Yeah ebay just totals its Losses from fugazzis, at least those reported, and then makes it back up thru service prices increases which both we and the seller end up paying. Sort of like who ends up paying for the CC scams and you can be sure it ain't Mastercard or Visa. They never lose.

But this coin ? You almost have to admire the fugazzi toning on it. It looks like it was printed out on a printer using photo grade glossy paper. Anyone who would buy such a coin, and just by looking at it, should probably find a new Hobby.

I recently sent back a couple CC Morgans because the seller used lighting and probably Photoshop to hide the obviously bad cleaning job. Another went Lost in Space thru the USPS and after a month I still wasn't paid back so I clobbered him on a rating and what do you know ? few days later the money was back in my account. Another bad coin I sent back and I'm about to lose my patience on it.

Then again, thru ebay, I got a terrific deal on the last nickle coin struck by the Nazi Govt. in 1938. The mintage was low for the German Reich-J. 324-coin-50 Reichspfennig 1938 J but even more so few were even released to the public because Germany produced no nickle and it was a crucial war metal. The Nazi's also demanded the public return what was already in circulation so important was needed the nickle in them.

The Nazi's were dependent on the Soviet Union for almost all their nickle imports and in June 1941 when they attacked Stalin that dried up.

To find a "J", struck in Hamburg, for the price I ended up paying was spectacular and even tho I dont yet have it I trust I'll get it. These nickle coins are going for upwards of $100 and I can't wait to display this important numismatic piece of history. I owe ebay for getting it but overall I'm kind of wary of ebay to tell you the truth. But one can get lucky on it too. https://www.silveragecoins.com/en/details

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As always....buyer beware. Was as true in Central Asia a few thousand tears ago as it its today.
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PCGS nuked the cert after a similar example with the same cert number was sold on HiBid last year.

The same coin sold in March from a different seller name and now today. The BayBots liked it when I reported it as fake, so there you have it.

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