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1945 Mercury Dime - Doubled Die (Date)

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 Posted 07/29/2010  1:31 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Adam_E to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
i don't think its anything, maybe some die polishing lines in the loop of 9 and some other areas, but I dot see anything other
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 Posted 07/29/2010  2:34 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Dcreek1968 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Steve199 - this coin is a philadelphia mint coin. I use the word "notching" to describe the notches at the lower right end of the crossbar on the "4" and the lower right corner of the vertical leg of the "4". I've always seen and understood that notching at the corners of letters and numbers was a good diagnostic to distinguish doubled dies (hub doubling) from machine or Strike Doubling. The appearance of a second "1" (tip left of the primary "1") complete with lower right notching in the vertical bar of the "1", plus the curves in the "9", notches in the 4, and the appearance of the 5 (thickened lower curve with second curve showing in one photo) lead me to conclude hub doubling. Under the right lighting (hence my challenged photo skills) you can see the second 4 over/underlying the primary 4, the secondary one shows up better, as does a slight curve appearing in the bottom of the 5 between both 5's. Thanks for taking the time to look. Need more information or more pictures, let me know. Dcreek
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 Posted 07/29/2010  2:41 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Scooby Due to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I think these pictures are much more interesting. Just waiting for the pros to chime back in again.


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 Posted 07/29/2010  7:20 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coppercoins to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I don't know Mercury dimes and their relative rarities, but I can tell a doubled die on any coin. That is DEFINITELY a doubled die.

Hub doubling is the verb that causes the noun doubled dies. Hub doubling and doubled dies are generally interchangeable terms.
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 Posted 07/29/2010  10:27 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Dcreek1968 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
CD - thanks for your input. I have always used hub doubling and doubled dies as interchangeable terms as well. I have found (and sold) a couple of 1972 doubled die cents (lesser varieties of course) and am still looking for the "big one" with the date noticeably doubled. If I can get the time, I'll try to post some pics on new topics of some of the other varieties I've found. A sincere "thanks" to you for your service to our country. I love cherrypicking, but I don't think it will ever make me rich.
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 Posted 07/30/2010  10:56 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add steve199 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
So both macmercury and dcreek have found 1945 doubled dies, from two different mints. Can't find anything on line about DDO's on those dates, none on heritage.

So dimes get no respect? If this was a Lincoln, or even a Walker, it would have some real value.


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 Posted 07/30/2010  11:33 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add biokemist6 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
CONECA only has one listing for a 1945P but that one is a DDR so it does not match. David Lange's book mentions that two DDOs and one DDR are known, all minor in nature.
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 Posted 07/30/2010  11:44 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coppercoins to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I don't think it's lack of respect, really. It's more a matter of just being understudied because they aren't as popular as Lincoln cents. Coin for coin I would bet a wager that at least 10,000 times more 1945 Lincolns have been closely inspected than 1945 dimes.

The stuff I know about 1945 dimes would fit into a thimble, but here goes...

1. 1945P dimes are rare with full bands.
2. There is a rare 1945D/D with a horizontal D.
3. There is a rare 1945S/S with a horizontal S.
4. The 1945S micro S is much more common than once thought to be. Values have gone way down.
5. There are at least three different mintmark styles for 1945S dimes, some uncommon.

There you have it! That's all I know about them.

Now...1945 cents....I could go on all day. Thing is here, this is where most variety hunters are. They know more about and see more 1945 cents than 1945 dimes.
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 Posted 07/30/2010  11:45 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add steve199 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Is this considered "minor" doubling? Wonder if it is one of the knowns or not.

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No, this is not "minor" doubling. It's enough that it should be listed with the other dimes in the CPG. It appears to be a moderate to strong class 1 or class 5 doubled die. Class would depend on how the doubling shows on the rest of the design.
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 Posted 07/30/2010  12:02 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add steve199 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Glad this is a DDO, otherwise it would mean I haven't learned anything in the last year about how to spot Machine Doubling.


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Now...1945 cents....I could go on all day.


I bet you could! I didn't mean "respect" literally, but the popularity of cents would put a lot more demand on a find like this.

Thank you for your comments.

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 Posted 07/31/2010  07:15 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Dcreek1968 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks to all who have replied or commented about this dime. I would appreciate advice from anyone regarding the best process for getting it attributed. Would that step be to contact CONECA? I have an email in to John Wexler asking for his opinion and offering to send the dime for closer inspection. Thoughts or comments? Thanks again.
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Congrat Dcreek! Let us know the result back from CONECA.
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how cool--congrats on your find!
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JW advises that he has two obverse doubled dies listed for the '45-P Mercury. I'll be submitting the coin to him for review and will let you know the results. Keeping my fingers crossed.
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