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OK I see the blood hounds are on your trail, so I will admit this is an 1878-S...your all unrelenting...
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I just now noticed the pictures at the top of this page.... (I was wondering what you were talking about.... 1878 S).... I have my confidence up now, so this should be easy, but I gotta go again now.... I'll identify it in the morning if someone has not already done so.... (then I will just confirm it).... hmmm.... confirming.... now that seems like the job to have if I was to be a TPG grader... I could be "The Confirmer".....  |
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Yes this is the NEW VAM-IT...1878-S so let see where it goes....ABOUT TIME...But I'm soon off to bed as well.....
Lets start from the beginning points,,,what are they? and where does that lead us?
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Let me move the pictures over here to this page:   |
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Okay, what I have so far is this: 'R' in trust unbroken, D in dollar unbroken, 4th star unbroken, no disconnected leaves, no massive Cuds, H mint mark set high and left, no drool or spit from eagle's beak, no apparent eye spikes, no doubling in RIB, no ear polishing, fully formed lower hair, near date, no phantom E, no heavy letter clashing, hooked lower arrow head, but I think that I see heavy scratches in the tail feathers, so I will say Hawaiian Dollar vam-2 (EDS)..... but that doesn't really look like King Kamehameha...... Okay, let me change that to 1878-H VAM 33A (LDS), one of the latest strikes from the Hunan mint..... but that really doesn't look like Mao either.... Hmmmmm....let me dig for more subtle clues. |
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Gene, this one has really got me scratching all over.... I blew up the picture of the reverse, but can't really tell if it is an H or an H over M..... (I know that you say it is an S)..... but I think you are just trying to exploit my limited familiarity with the alphabet.... I need another hint please...  |
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Okay, V-54 is my guess. edited to add: I am afraid that this will be my final guess as well... I don't feel comfortable going elsewhere to seek out information on something that really doesn't interest me anyway. This thread has opened my eyes to the fact that people really do have totally different interests in vamming..... while some folks are interested strictly in which VAM it is and the grade of that VAM, I really could not care less about either thing..... I am interested strictly in what caused those features on that VAM, while most folks really could not care less about that.... I can understand it now, and am okay with it, and will never shake my head again at someone else's disregard for what interests me. Edited by zeewool
01/05/2011 10:18 pm
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That is the point of it all Zee...while some want the whole smorgesborg some only want to sample what they see on the platters and pick and choose there interests....This thread is more of not to guess THIS particular VAM..but rather how to research a coin for its out of the ordinary features which in turn will lead to some VAM identification.. With this coin, we have first started with the BASIC search peramiters Date and mint mark location...then die markers. such as doubling... WITH THIS particular coin I wanted to place a "special interest" on the fact that while doubling can readily be seen.......There is a die hub feature that has QUAD,and SETUPPLING of the features not readily seen from overhead......The picture of the star shows multiple layering.....DUE to the making of the HUB...If I'm not mistaken here... they can only be seen when one looks from a 45 degree angle...not from over head... the discovered feature also leads a quicker understanding of what VAM it might be.... |
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they can only be seen when one looks from a 45 degree angle...not from over head. Heh, heh.... I can see what you have given us to work with too. Quote:
The picture of the star shows multiple layering I missed that picture somehow. I could see how a beginner might have an easier time with coin in hand than having to deal with preselected online photos that don't really show too well the pups that are necessary to I D the VAM. This all seems a little advanced to me, and although I have a short attention span anyway, I really did try. Maybe it might be more beneficial to beginners if you could show clearly the main pups... that would be difficult enough when a person is just starting out.... These challenges with higher difficulty factors are what scare new folks away (IMO). |
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ACTUALLY ZEE...I purposely posted the normal BASIC pictures one would look at to narrow any VAM down to,,,say for this year..from 100 to say just a few... THIS is why, I also posted the stars with multiple layering..its known as sextuppled stars, and if you look at the ear...there is more... its found and often not looked for in many years, but they are there, and they are the main Pick up points PUP's.... with these PUP's one can narrow it down much further.....who else YOU LURKERS have an Idea? What SAY YEA ALL? |
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Gene, I still don't see the sextupled star photo.... because of the lighting on the photo, I can't even tell if the 4th right star is broken or not.... that is why I guessed v-54.... I got lost and frustrated.... (yeah, I know, that is typical of me anyway). This is my point.... maybe we could have a VAM definition page, not only that, but one that includes photos with the definitions.....a closeup picture of that broken 4th right star, the broken "R", the broken "D", letter clashes, die doubling, Strike Doubling, the location of the 'hair vee'.... it is a shame to send folks elsewhere for that sort of thing when I don't see the drawbacks of incorporating (at least those basics) here as well.... one VAM basic referral page would suffice I think. |
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Zee, while the main focus of many of the 78- P and 78-s series focuses on the broken star, broken are or open O in god, many vams have nothing to do with those coins....its exceptional PUP's for those years, and unlike the rest of the Morgan series...this is what one must learn...they, those rules only apply to those years...that is why one must learn..aquire knowledge of the attributes of each year, buy the way as you well know the first year was very troubled...after they got there act together there is not 250 vams per year...
Ok the main points are, for this coin...sextuppled stars, a die chip in the ear...go from there...
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My photo of the stars I see, did not post...so here it is  with these clues one should be able to attribute this coin...so VAM-IT |
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OK, its been a while...but the fact that it takes research and time...to find the VAM one seeks. Some are found simply by the Date and the Mint Mark position...Many others are found by close up examinations...Remember Vamming is a process by examening, the basics..The date and time positions.. and also the Forensics. a close up examination of DETAILS...in this case the date and MM are given..but the pictures of the multiple layering(due to hubbing) can be seen...... another common attribute is the ear...often times doubled....yet this is not so..yet within the ear is a die chip...combined with the sextuppled stars leaves only 2 choices...vam 55 or 75A..... Many VAM's are easily discovered. many COMMON VAM'S have no supporting pictures as they are common...its the fine points beyond the date and Mint Mark. that separates the valued vams from the common vams... There is a simple system in general to attribute a coin, yet there are certain years the system is not published or seems so simple..SEATEDNUT. shows is the 1878P series and how to figure out what it is....other years..The Devil is in the Details.....The next VAM will be under VAM-IT II I hope you have learned something.... |
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