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while I have to smile Dad,,  I still think the same as, why? the possible letter transfer is there when the clash is not?Reguardless of the REV, which is a newer die.. its the OBV which is in question...Great topic and discussion.... |
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I still have not heard from the OP on what is exactly going on with this coin, being so many have asked, Tom foolery, some sort of trickery, or just a very busy OP.......
You realize the OP is the guy who owns and runs Coin Community, right? He's a tad....busy. |
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Dave, I certainly do, and like many have asked, would like to know, when he gets the chance, like I mentioned in my post "busy", I would like more than most, being I see the clash, and not many others do, Thanks for your input, I am NOT the only one to of asked, yet I am the highlighted topic LOL....... Gene, Hang in there. I believe when the dust settles, things will be clearer...  |
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I'll tell you what, Dad, having met him now I realize just how special a specimen Bobby actually is. He has my all-over-the-map curiosity combined with an insane focus on the task at hand I can only envy. At any given time, he's successfully juggling more balls at once than I can even dream of.
He's unavailable today, but rest assured that the human equivalent of the Eye of Mordor will soon return focus to this thread.
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I believe the phygarian(spelling) cap is doubled,
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Dear Dave, I see you are a bit short today, I simply was NOT the 1st person to ask to see the OP'S opinion, the day Bobby posted the coin. Since the post I believe 3 people have asked to hear the opinion of Bobby, and YOU choose to have a tantrum and highlight my comment, out of ALL whom have asked.
I see maybe things are a bit much at times for people to come across as you have, simply put I just asked, and I am not sure exactly what you are saying, but I would ask you to kindly refrain from singling me out.If I am wrong, which you have pointed out before, WHY highlight my comment, and not others, am I missing something. I know exactly who runs this forum, I also know your choice of words is uncalled for. I know the difference between kindness and stupidity, and those words were NOT kind. Lets discuss coins, leave the attitudes at the door...........
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04/02/2011 4:01 pm
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I know exactly who runs this forum, I also know your choice of words is uncalled for. I know the difference between kindness and stupidity, and those words were NOT kind. Lets discuss coins, leave the attitudes at the door........... Physician, heal thyself. Your words:Quote:
I still have not heard from the OP on what is exactly going on with this coin, being so many have asked, Tom foolery, some sort of trickery, or just a very busy OP....... When you accuse the owner of this forum of trickery, I will not react lightly. Yours were the cross words. Yours was the unfavorable opinion. You caused the reaction you received, and this is far from the first time you've pushed the envelope of civility and then cried crocodile tears when you were called on it.
This post is in red because you should consider it an official Moderator action. You have been warned in private, more than once, to consider the effect of your words, and have chosen not to. This is the final warning. |
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believe this is blown well out of proportion and can only say, I am not looking for any problems. I feel you have for a while a standing problem with me and I do not know why, I am NOT attacking anyone, nor did I.I was NOT the first person to mention being tricked, or fooled before on this forum.
I simply wanted to know why you choose to make an example out of my remarks, when all I wanted was a simple opinion. I think this is wrong, I choose to write on the forum, and removed it and wrote you personally, and now this........I have been warned, for the FIRST time.
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this is where the clashed "n" would be located and I do see what could be this clash in the pictures. This is a 1878 but still believe this clash could be there. Clashes are hard to see sometimes and you have to turn and tilt a coin to see them sometimes. If the Reverse is rotated slightly it can change the position a little also. I have mistaken clashes for PMD myself before  |
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Consider the strength of the wing clash, when compared to the relatively-weak "n" in Bryan's pic. Now, as Ozland mentions, if the die was slightly rotated such that the reverse clash points towards the "G," the obverse details would similarly rotate such that the wing clash would be coming from under the chin, and the "n" would be more out into the field of the coin.
With that said, I'm still convinced about there being no "n" clash on this coin. Remember, it's the *bottom* of the n which clashes, and that is more sharply-pointed than the OP coin's details. Wear will accommodate some of it, but not to the extent that this coin shows. Especially considering that we're looking at it as if the original "clashed" die pair is still striking coins, and the coin pictured here is likely Mint State.
I'm sorry. This coin shows no clashing, just a random serendipity of marks in something close to the correct areas.
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Dave, In your opinion this coin shows no clash, there are those of us out here that have another opinion, I will speak for myself, I clearly see the parts there of a letter, I am not doubting what you see or your opinion, I am simply saying I see the clashed letter, I would put this out for discussion, what do you believe the "mystery" letter looking imprint is? This topic with out the coin in hand is simply not "Educational", IMO.....Good luck with the out come.
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Pillar of the Community
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Gene, My friend, the term is a "Phrygian" Cap..........
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I also am inclined to believe there is no clashing as; if the wing clash was removed the letter transfer should not now be present as the "N" is usually weaker. I do see the mark that can be mistaken as part of the N, it is interesting to note that the coin is over polished in the hair as well, the Hair Vee also looks to have something there but with out close ups I can't make out what it is....reviewing the 9.. its either a slant date or high 9 coin...some could look at this a right of normal date placement, or a far date....I was wondering if The OP was doing an April fools with vam23A that has been polished out of existence...yet as with both these coins the OBV is well used and deteriorated, and if it was polished up it should not looks so desintegrated...
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I have one of those new Catia 3-D computers that allows me to tilt and project light at different angles, just like I could if I had coin in hand...... yes, I think that I do see the "n" clash as well as the wing clash.  |
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