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1995 LMC With Doubling Of Lincoln's Beard, Lower Lip, Eye And Forehead

 
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 Posted 09/01/2022  11:38 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add mb560600 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
Hello CC--I need help identifying what is going on here.
The doubling that appears only on these particular areas of Lincoln's profile and the eye do not appear to be MD.
I've checked VV, Wexler and Coppercoins for such a DDO and found nothing listed.
Thanks in advance for your comments.




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 Posted 09/02/2022  07:17 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add -makecents- to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
mb560600, I do not see any doubling, it looks normal to me. Here is a side by side of yours and a closeup of zoomed in pics from PCGS. I've heard of this particular series (ODV-038) of Lincolns visage referred to as "chicken lips". This series of obverse ran from 1993 to 1996.


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 Posted 09/02/2022  07:58 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mb560600 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Makecents, thanks for the images. I'm very familiar with this series of this LMC. But, looking at the side-by-sides you provided, to me it just confirms that there is doubling.
1)The beard---there is clearly a separation and spread in the beard South of the lips that juts out.
2)The lips--there is a spread outward that resembles the "hot lips" varieties that have been noteworthy for doubling on some years of the Roosevelt dimes.
3)The eye---there is an image of a lens East of the eye socket---arguably doubling--that's not evident on a "normal" coin.
4) The forehead--there is a spread of the profile East not seen on a "normal" coin.



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I think we need better pictures here. With the light coming in from the east, it makes it appear to be doubling, but I'm not so sure.. If you look at the beard area in particular, the outline is the same, just shadowed by a part of the profile from the east. This may be the same for the other areas too. But the eye does look weird to me. Can you get a better picture it that area?
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The die states of the two set of Side by sides are different die states. The one on the left show the stronger eye design, on the image on the left, the field reduction as weaken the eye area on that coin. Thus they will look different because of the die polishing.
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The die states of the two set of Side by sides are different die states. The one on the left show the stronger eye design, on the image on the left, the field reduction as weaken the eye area on that coin. Thus they will look different because of the die polishing.
I agree, coop but this was the only example I could find on PCGS for comparison and I like using their pics because of the quality. I still feel it showed what I needed to. The OP is collecting several that they feel are legitimate doubled dies and feel they should get four or five together and send them in.
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Thanks Coop and Dearborn for your input.
Coop, could you elaborate further on the die polishing issue you mention?
Specifically, are you saying the coin on the right of the side-by-sides (the 1995 PCGS coin) has been weakened by die polishing? If so, you are saying the subject coin (on the left) is an earlier die stage coin, and that's why we see the detail on the eye as compared to the later die stage coin on the right?
If that's the case, what's the explanation for the doubled area on the lips and beard on the subject coin, which is an early die stage? That would have nothing to do with a die polishing, correct? (Later die stage coins arguably had this doubling removed, if I understand your explanation),
Dearborn, I utilized indirect lighting from all sides for the photography--but I'll see if I can post some better photos of the beard and lips area when I have an opportunity later.
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 Posted 09/03/2022  02:05 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add merclover to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
If there is Doubling at all, it is slight Machine Doubling. Keep searching.
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