New... Dan Carr 1964 Morgan Dollars!

All is Good Mate
It's just that you tend to take things out of context and then twist things around just for the sake of expanding a discussion into areas that have little or no relevance to the original topic being discussed.
I am almost certain that you don't intend to be this frustrating But sometimes you are Mate.
Your posts are never rude or arrogant and are usually well worded and I generally enjoy reading them But your tendency to introduce "Red Herrings" from time to time ruins what is a stimulating and informative discussion.

And anyway what's wrong with just saying "Trout said so"

One thing is consistently overlooked.

A 1964 Morgan dollar cannot possibly be confused for a genuine coin struck and minted in the United States and intended to pass as circulating legal tender UNLESS the buyer or owner of said Morgan dollar hasn't done even the slightest due diligence or investigation into that which sits before him/her.

If you were to hand a random person a United States FRN that was designed to the same standards as all other FRNs, printed on the same linen paper, with the same inks and anti-counterfeiting measures, but denominated at a FV of $250,000 -- even if they did not know that such a note was not genuine -- it would be a matter of moments before they found out, either via the Internet or via attempting to spend it or asking another person or any other means.

The same applies to that 1964 Morgan dollar. The most cursory investigation will reveal it to be a fantasy.

However, let's take a Chinese struck copy of, say, an 1884-O Morgan dollar. It is not 100% accurate --- several die details are slightly off, and perhaps the appearance is a bit odd --- but to those who do not collect coins, it would require a MUCH greater deal of research and investigation to reveal its true nature as a forgery/counterfeit Morgan dollar. Unlike the 1964, 1884-O Morgan dollars really did exist, and circulate, and pass as legal tender. From its buyer, it may end up at a flea market, estate sale, garage sale, on ebay, on craigslist, used to purchase something, turned in at a bank, or handed down as a family heirloom, where it might re-enter the market as a genuine coin.

This is why the Chinese counterfeits of actual coins minted by the US are far more dangerous than any fantasy restrikes -- whereas the 1964 Morgan dollar will not be confused for a real coin after even the barest minimum of checking, the 1884-O has a much greater chance of entering the coin market as a "genuine" coin downstream. The odds of the economy, or in particular, the government, suffering financial loss as a result of a counterfeit copy of an existing coin entering circulation are much higher than the odds of that loss occurring with a fantasy restrike entering circulation.

It is for precisely this reason that someone making high quality fantasy $250,000 FRN's in very small quantities would not likely have the Secret Service at their front door overnight, whereas someone marketing high quality counterfeit $20 FRN's in much larger quantities is going to be headed to Federal prison before long. The same applies to fantasy restrikes of a 1964 Morgan or Peace dollar in a very small quantity vs. hundreds of thousands of fake 1884-O Morgan dollars -- it's a matter of possible financial harm, as multiplied by scale of production.

Since essentially an entire page or more of this topic was devoted to the "artistic" attributes of this issue, I'm surprised that no one has replied to my question of how the dies were made.

I would appreciate dcarr explaining that there's more to it than software and machinery.

I can most certainly appreciate skill, craftsmanship and art, but if it's only a matter of using/creating software and the right mechanical tools/machines/money to produce this, then I have to say it's not art. It's a lot of work to create a replica of a genuine coin with a different date (that is also stylised to match that date on genuine Mint issues). That doesn't make it art. It's unimaginative to the point of being a polar opposite of creative art. There was nothing created except the date, and even that was imitated.

I apologize. I do not see the art.

A Magicians coin is created by altering/machining two coins and the original design is retained in full on one side of each coin used.

With a Dan Carr coin the original design is obliterated entirely and replaced using a new set of dies.

The Magicians coin IS an altered coin/coins But a Dan Carr coin is NOT an altered coin it is a restrike of an existing design as none of the original design remains on the coin.

They are two completely different coin types

This thread is like the energizer bunny

It just keeps going and going and going and going.

You should be banned for posting that!

This thread needed the levity. This is why I said he should not would.

I most definitely will NOT be watching that video!