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How Far Back Can We Go? Fourth Edition! Ended At 1461 Waiting On 1460 C. E. (A. H. 864)

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(when did "D" for 500 come into use?)


Not a letter D, but rather a Gothic letter C (which has the two ends connected by a vertical line). In Roman numerals, the date inscription is MCCCCCII.
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I guess the question is: when would this date be written as "MDII" rather than "MCCCCCII".
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1501 -- Hannover, 1 kreuzgroschen:

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(another old-style "5")
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Nice coin. I don;t think we've seen Hanover yet?


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I guess the question is: when would this date be written as "MDII" rather than "MCCCCCII".


Yes, that's what I meant. It's also interesting to see "ANNO" before the date in some of the last few years here.
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Ok yes sorry that I misunderstood your question @tdziemia. I haven't looked into this question previously, but it is an interesting question. With that said, there were some coins being issued with the D in the place of the five Cs so perhaps the answer is that it varied depending on the mint and die cutter.

Here is a Schilling from the German City State of Pomerania-Wolgast dated 1501 AD. It is attributed as Saurma 4849.


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1500 -- Salzburg, 1 batzen:

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1500 -- Salzburg, 1 batzen:


issued by Leonhard von Keutschach and picturing the Saint of the city, St Rupert
great coin a nice doorstep to the challenging 15th century
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I am advised this Hungarian denar was minted 1500-02, so this would be a good place for it.

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Here is my brother to @pepactonius' coin for today--a Batzen from the Habsburg Territory of Salzburg dated 1500 AD. We are now entering the time period where Levinson's book is relevant. This coin is attributed as Levinson IV-64. Anyone interested in the early dated coins of Europe might be interested in this earlier CCF thread:

http://goccf.com/t/269713&whichpage=1


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1499 -- Holland/Dordrecht, 1 stuiver:

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(Horrible coin, but at least the date is readable.)
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Horrible coin, but at least the date is readable.

so it is a most appropriate coin for this thread
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Welcome to the 1400s!


It has taken us a while to get here, but I'm glad that we have arrived!


Here is my Stuiver from the Netherlands County of Holland dated 1499 AD. The attribution is Levinson III-271a.


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Here is my Stuiver from the Netherlands County of Holland dated 1499 AD


another nice start for the 15th century
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1498 -- Brabant, toison d'argent:

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Nothing more from me until 1492.
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