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1652 New England 3 Pence?

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 Posted 01/29/2021  09:53 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add That Coin Dude to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It baffles me that, if this is a forgery, they matched the devices so perfectly...
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Absolutely the thread of the year 2020. At this rate, it might be the thread of the year for 2021 also. Lol
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i could probably draw this coin.
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I just ran into "The Early Coins of America", Crosby, 1875. You can find it by searching the title plus author, and clicking the one on forumancientcoins site, which will download a pdf. Plate I on page 8 appears to be early photographs and the threepence pictured appears to be the Massachusetts historical society coin. Page 46 (pdf page 58) references the two known - the Yale and the Appleton (now historical society) coins.

1652-New-England-3-Pence?

There is a NE shilling up for auction on Heritage in 11 days, currently $138k.
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kbbpll: I just ran into "The Early Coins of America", Crosby, 1875. You can find it by searching the title plus author, and clicking the one on forumancientcoins site


Here is a link with the entire book available for download (legally) on the Newman Numismatic Portal.

https://nnp.wustl.edu/library/book/512407

Ever serious collector of early US coins needs a copy of this book though most will only ever get one in a reprint as the originals are rare and really expensive $800 and upwards of $2000" for perfect copies. Here is an excellent page to learn more about this great book:

http://wiki.coinbooks.org/index.php...S_OF_AMERICA
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I can't believe I only just found this thread. I will be following it closely.
It still feels like a long shot, but everything I've seen here makes me optimistic. Good luck, and I hope this works out!
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Interesting, it looks like the mhs threepence shown had an indentation, not yet a hole. Especially prevalent on the "III" side. Wonder who finished the job, and when? Especially since it was the only one known, had it been stolen, the hole been made, and then recovered? There's probably some information to find on that.
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Good eye. My best guess is that that photo was taken on a dark background and the hole wasn't cropped out like the surroundings. Still weird, though.
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I am happy to inform you that two weeks ago the coin made it to the US. They started the authentication process and are still very optimistic. &
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I am happy to inform you that two weeks ago the coin made it to the US. They started the authentication process and are still very optimistic.


That's great news! I can't wait for the next update.
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Great!!
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Nice! Hopefully the process speeds up from here. Thanks for the update.
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Hooray, this may make history...literally!
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Great news! "Epic" doesn't begin to describe this thread and story. I hope the next phase goes a bit faster. Be prepared for international headlines if it's authenticated!

I ran into a lengthy and thorough article by Jack Howes in the August 2010 edition of The Colonial Newsletter. It's up on NNC and you can read it here https://nnp.wustl.edu/library/book/514007. It covers every known example of NE coinage, mostly focusing on shillings.

One interesting part is pictured below, which we discussed way earlier in this thread. The Yale threepence is stated to have disappeared prior to the 1965 theft of the Yale collection. (Edit: this is NOT larsjan's coin)

1652-New-England-3-Pence?
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Thx for keeping us in the loop @lj!
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