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The Goal: 25,000 Rolls Of Nickels (All Searchers Welcome!)

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 Posted 06/07/2008  4:49 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add cheungsta to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
CND - this is a great inspirational thread! I've just started my nickel search (220 rolls so far), and I'm keeping a similar log. I'm trying to complete a circ set only from circ, but it looks quite daunting! Good luck with the hunt!
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 Posted 06/10/2008  9:10 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add XavierOfGreen to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Went through a box and found two war nicks, nothing much else of note.
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 Posted 06/11/2008  03:46 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add bibd to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I admire you guys, and enjoy the hunt/data you report!

Just curious CND - are you at all worried about how you're going to dump a million nickels? Hopefully you live near Las Vegas. :)

But seriously, I'd have one heck of a hard time dumping even 1% of that quantity here in Canada!
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 Posted 06/12/2008  11:13 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Eagles700LvL to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I haven't had a chance to search for a couple of weeks, but got a box this past weekend. Here are the results...

2 Buffalo (no date, 1936)
2 Silver (1942P, 1944P)
27 pre-1959 nickels
1 SEPTA token

Overall

925 rolls
12 Buffalo
18 Silver
438 pre-1959
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 Posted 06/15/2008  01:48 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Double Mint to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Im gonna start one of these with pennies. I'm curious what the percentage is myself on finds in penny rolls. Ill probably pick up a few boxes next week sometime.
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 Posted 06/17/2008  8:42 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add copper nickel daddy to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
At long last, an update!

My research stuff is pretty much unpacked, and now I will be able to catch up with posting the results of all of the nickels that I have sitting here. I have four updates to post! Here is the first.

100 rolls
42 pre-1959
4 Silver Nickels (1943D,1943S,1944P,1945P)
1 Saudi Arabia 10 Halala (date unknown)

Key Find - A 1943D (first one found!)

GRAND TOTALS TO DATE:

5800 rolls
2469 pre 1959 (5 most common: 1958d(248),1957d(188),1941(173),1940(166),1946(132),1954d(132)
96 Silver Nickels (3 most common: 1943P(20),1943S(18),1945P(18)
2 Liberty nickels (1901,1905)
15 Buffalo nickels ((4)dateless,1920,1924,(2)1927,1928,1928s,1929,1929s,1935,1937,1938d)
4 Proof (1974s,1987s,1993s,2007s)
4 Bermuda 5 cents (1970,1986,1987,1996)
4 Bahamas 5 cents (1981,1998,(2)2000)
1 Belgium 1 Franc (1975)
1 Cayman Islands 10 Cents (2002)
1 Germany 50 Pfennig (1972)
1 Latvia 1 Lats (1992)
1 Mexico 50 Centavos (1993)
1 Norway 1 Kroner (1997)
1 Saudi Arabia 10 Halala (date unknown)
1 Somalia 5 Shillings (2000)
2 Switzerland 20 Rappen (1969,1970)
1 Tanzania 50 Senti (1990)
1 Unidentified foreign coin (no date)
1 Cincinnati Ohio Transit Token

NEEDED TO COMPLETE SET:

38d,39d,44S,50d
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 Posted 06/17/2008  9:04 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add copper nickel daddy to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Next update...

100 rolls
36 pre-1959
1 Silver Nickel (1943P)

GRAND TOTALS TO DATE:

5900 rolls
2505 pre 1959 (5 most common: 1958d(249),1957d(189),1941(175),1940(168),1946(136)
97 Silver Nickels (3 most common: 1943P(21),1943S(18),1945P(18)
2 Liberty nickels (1901,1905)
15 Buffalo nickels ((4)dateless,1920,1924,(2)1927,1928,1928s,1929,1929s,1935,1937,1938d)
4 Proof (1974s,1987s,1993s,2007s)
4 Bermuda 5 cents (1970,1986,1987,1996)
4 Bahamas 5 cents (1981,1998,(2)2000)
1 Belgium 1 Franc (1975)
1 Cayman Islands 10 Cents (2002)
1 Germany 50 Pfennig (1972)
1 Latvia 1 Lats (1992)
1 Mexico 50 Centavos (1993)
1 Norway 1 Kroner (1997)
1 Saudi Arabia 10 Halala (date unknown)
1 Somalia 5 Shillings (2000)
2 Switzerland 20 Rappen (1969,1970)
1 Tanzania 50 Senti (1990)
1 Unidentified foreign coin (no date)
1 Cincinnati Ohio Transit Token

NEEDED TO COMPLETE SET:

38d,39d,44S,50d
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 Posted 06/17/2008  9:33 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add copper nickel daddy to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Next update, plus the 6000 roll date by date breakdown!

A very productive two boxes!

100 rolls
61 pre-1959
1 Silver Nickel (1945P)
2 Buffalo nickels (both 1936)
1 Italy 20 Centimes (1941)

Key Find: a 1938d (first one found, now only three needed to complete the set)

GRAND TOTALS TO DATE:

6000 rolls
2567 pre 1959 (5 most common: 1958d(254),1957d(191),1941(177),1940(176),1946(138)
98 Silver Nickels (3 most common: 1943P(21),1945P(19),1943S(18)
2 Liberty nickels (1901,1905)
17 Buffalo nickels ((4)dateless,1920,1924,(2)1927,1928,1928s,1929,1929s,1935,(2)1936,1937,1938d)
4 Proof (1974s,1987s,1993s,2007s)
4 Bermuda 5 cents (1970,1986,1987,1996)
4 Bahamas 5 cents (1981,1998,(2)2000)
1 Belgium 1 Franc (1975)
1 Cayman Islands 10 Cents (2002)
1 Germany 50 Pfennig (1972)
1 Italy 20 Centimes (1941)
1 Latvia 1 Lats (1992)
1 Mexico 50 Centavos (1993)
1 Norway 1 Kroner (1997)
1 Saudi Arabia 10 Halala (date unknown)
1 Somalia 5 Shillings (2000)
2 Switzerland 20 Rappen (1969,1970)
1 Tanzania 50 Senti (1990)
1 Unidentified foreign coin (no date)
1 Cincinnati Ohio Transit Token

NEEDED TO COMPLETE SET:

38d,39d,44S,50d

Here is the date by date breakdown as of the 6000 roll mark.

1938 - 23
1938d- 1
1938s- 2
1939 - 98
1939d- 0
1939s- 2
1940 - 176
1940d- 26
1940s- 22
1941 - 177
1941d- 31
1941s- 29
1942 - 42
1942d- 7
1942P- 9
1942S- 6
1943P- 21
1943D- 1
1943S- 19
1944P- 17
1944D- 2
1944S- 0
1945P- 19
1945D- 2
1945S- 3
1946 - 138
1946d- 28
1946s- 14
1947 - 104
1947d- 14
1947s- 18
1948 - 74
1948d- 28
1948s- 11
1949 - 53
1949d- 27
1949s- 3
1950 - 8
1950d- 0
1951 - 25
1951d- 13
1951s- 2
1952 - 84
1952d- 27
1952s- 22
1953 - 47
1953d- 78
1953s- 17
1954 - 49
1954d- 135
1954s- 17
1955 - 9
1955d- 83
1956 - 46
1956d- 99
1957 - 50
1957d- 191
1958 - 58
1958d- 254
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 Posted 06/17/2008  9:35 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add copper nickel daddy to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Correction on the above post:

The part that reads "NEEDED TO COMPLETE SET" should have had the 1938d removed, leaving only three to finish the set.
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 Posted 06/17/2008  9:56 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add copper nickel daddy to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Another update!

100 rolls
42 pre-1959
3 Silver Nickels (1943P,1944P,1944D)

GRAND TOTALS TO DATE:

6100 rolls
2609 pre 1959 (5 most common: 1958d(259),1957d(195),1941(179),1940(178),1946(139)
101 Silver Nickels (3 most common: 1943P(22),1945P(19),1943S(18),1944P(18)
2 Liberty nickels (1901,1905)
17 Buffalo nickels ((4)dateless,1920,1924,(2)1927,1928,1928s,1929,1929s,1935,(2)1936,1937,1938d)
4 Proof (1974s,1987s,1993s,2007s)
4 Bermuda 5 cents (1970,1986,1987,1996)
4 Bahamas 5 cents (1981,1998,(2)2000)
1 Belgium 1 Franc (1975)
1 Cayman Islands 10 Cents (2002)
1 Germany 50 Pfennig (1972)
1 Italy 20 Centimes (1941)
1 Latvia 1 Lats (1992)
1 Mexico 50 Centavos (1993)
1 Norway 1 Kroner (1997)
1 Saudi Arabia 10 Halala (date unknown)
1 Somalia 5 Shillings (2000)
2 Switzerland 20 Rappen (1969,1970)
1 Tanzania 50 Senti (1990)
1 Unidentified foreign coin (no date)
1 Cincinnati Ohio Transit Token

NEEDED TO COMPLETE SET:

39d,44S,50d
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 Posted 06/19/2008  2:31 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mycrob to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
CND, I hope you don't mind. I took your 6000 rolls update and analyzed it on Excel. There are some very interesting findings, that, due to the incredible number of nickels you've gone through, should continue to hold up.


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1. 85-90% of the silver nickels have already been removed from circulation and are severely underrepresented. Maybe it is a surprise that it isn't more like 95-99% on the one hand, but maybe also surprising they aren't more common, since % silver is low and many people don't know about the silver way nickels.

2. Older dates are underrepresented. For example, 1938 at 19.5 million mintage- you pulled 23 but 20 years later, 1958 at 17.9 million mintage, you pulled more than twice as many- 58. This plus the number of 1940s vs 1950s coins pulled compared to their mintages. 2.12 billion nickels minted for the 40s, 1.05 billion for the 50s, yet even if you correct for the silver war issues being underrepresented, there is still approximately 1.5-fold more 50s than 40s. This translates into approximately 50% more 50s than 40s, combining amount pulled versus mintage figures. Another example is 1946 vs 1958D. 1946= 161 million, 1958D= 168 million, yet 58D is pulled 254 to 138 or 1.8x more frequently, which is way over 50% more common than 46. Another example is 1939 (120.6 million minted pulled 98 times, and 1954D (117 million, pulled 135 times or 1.4 times more frequent)

3. There are anomalies outside of the silver war years. 1947 vs 1948 is a great example. Only about 6 million separate these in mintage, both Philly mintage's and yet you pull vastly more 1947 than 1948. No explanation for this.

4. Mint marked coins versus Philly coins- when there are similar mintages, the Philly is pulled 2x more frequently- maybe due to your geographic location- close to Philly. Examples: 40s, 41S, 40D, 48D, 49D and 46D were all pulled 22-29x and have mintages of 36-45 million, but 57, 53, 54, 42, 49 were pulled 42-53x at 39-60 million mintage. Problem with this analysis is that other than 42, there are no other 1940s philly coins minted between 36-45 million.

5. As to be expected for the lowest mintages, the nine lowest mintages have been pulled 10 or fewer times and the 13 lowest mintages pulled 15 or fewer times. 1958 is the 14th lowest mintage but is plentiful likely due to it being more modern. But give it another 20 years and 58 could become a semi-key as well.

6. Extrapolation out to 25,000 rolls would yield (multiplied by 4.167 [25,000 to search/6000 rolls already searched]:
10,679 pre-1959 coins
412 silver nickels
70 Buffalo nickels

You would get complete roll sets for all years and mint marks for nearly all except those in which you currently have 9 or fewer coins. If you have 10 now, you should theoretically get a complete roll, by 25,000 rolls searched. That means 18 coins from 1938-58 will not have a complete roll by the end of this. To me, that is really extraordinary, since 1 million nickles will have been searched. 12 of these 18 you have fewer than 5, so even if you search 50,000 rolls, you wouldn't get a complete roll set on most of those 12.

1058 1958D nickels (about 10% of the total).

I do think you ought to be keeping the 1959, which is relatively low mintage, especially compared with 58D.

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 Posted 06/19/2008  5:29 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add florida to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
#3 of the analysis is right on target and I don't have an explanation either for it.
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 Posted 06/19/2008  11:32 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add chevrolet454ss to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Cdn,

I know those nickels are tough trying find the keys like 1939d, 1939s, 1938 stuff, 1950d, 1951s, 1950 . It seems all wartime silvers, any from s mints are tough. Trust me I know I went thru thousands of nickel rolls over the years. I onley found 1 1939d nickel ever and no 1938d, 1938s, 1939s, 1950d ever yet. I was luckey this year to have found that 1939d nickel to finish my set and I was the guy who posted it this year.

One thing I was going tell you after I did some history reading.

Example on 1950 d nickel. 2.6 milion made in 1950. One company bought up millions of dollars worth 1950d nickels back in 1950. They were hoarded big time and rolls of nickels would sell lots money in 1960 something. Thats the reason why in 2008 you can buy an bu 1950d nickel for 10 to 20 dollars. The trouble nobody knows how many 1950d nickels were circulated or got used as money. Maybe onley 1 million were used as money and 1.6 million was hoarded and never used.

Its also very tough to build nickel set 1938 thru 1961 nickel book since I been trying finish 5 or 6 old sets. They are all missing the 1938d, 1938s, 1939d, 1950d, 1939s, 1951s. I may never finish them since I dont want to buy the keys for 25 to 50 bucks. Reason the intire set can be bought on ebay for same price of me buying the keys . Its not worth it since intire set greysheat at 25 bucks or cost 35 bucks complete on ebay as cirulated.

Thats reason I was always an devoted an lot time searching nickel rolls over the years. I always enjoyed searching nickels and trying to build sets of them.

Good luck and keep going thru those rolls. I just bought 6 boxs from bank and I need start searching them. I hope I can find something good.

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 Posted 06/20/2008  9:00 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add XavierOfGreen to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Cnd is the 1941 20 centimes silver?
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 Posted 06/21/2008  1:42 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mfhorn to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Speaking of the 1950-D. My parents bought me that coin in the late '50's to complete my collection at the time. I was 9 or 10 at the time. I think they paid around $20; alot for a nickel at the time.
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