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Could Anyone Help With Info Regarding This 1871 Indian Head?

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 Posted 11/09/2012  3:19 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add muddler to your friends list

The date does not look like my humble example, I do not think it is genuine.



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 Posted 11/09/2012  3:29 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add murrellington to your friends list
Oh, didn't see that link.

And oh my, yeah that date looks completely wrong in any and every way possible. There's no way that thing would grade at PCGS.
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 Posted 11/09/2012  5:07 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coinstar to your friends list
concur on the date--looks weird
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 Posted 11/09/2012  5:11 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SsuperDdave to your friends list
I don't know what it is, but I do know what it's not. What it's not is a genuine 1871 Indian Head.
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 Posted 11/09/2012  11:39 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Bryan1315 to your friends list
I have fixed the post so the Obverse picture shows now without having to click the link. The Reverse looks close enough to fool me but that date is all over the place
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 Posted 11/10/2012  12:02 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Fuzzy317 to your friends list
I think its a fake or altered date.

Here is my 1871 IHC. Compare the dates.

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 Posted 11/10/2012  12:09 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add D0ubl3Eagle to your friends list
I agree this is not genuine.
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 Posted 11/10/2012  12:15 am  Show Profile   Check vermontensium's eBay Listings Check vermontensium's eCrater Listings Bookmark this reply Add vermontensium to your friends list
When I first clicked on this post and saw the date, that's all I needed. Hope you didn't pay too much. More than likely of Chinese origin.
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 Posted 11/10/2012  01:15 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add murrellington to your friends list
It's strange how they did such a good job but it looks like they didn't even try with the date at all. I only own 1 Indian cent and don't know anything about the series, but when I saw that date it looked way off.
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 Posted 11/10/2012  11:38 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add zeevg to your friends list
Oh well, you live and learn..
I guess they got me on this one. :-(
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 Posted 11/10/2012  11:54 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add smokeriderdon to your friends list
zeevg, where did you get this coin? You should be able to get a refund. And even though its not the best of news for a first post.
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 Posted 11/10/2012  12:29 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add hesgut to your friends list
zeevg,

Being the original person in this thread to call the coin definitely fake, I also want to apologize.

I have now looked at the picture further and I believe I see 3 other more subtle problems with the coin that would indicate it is being not genuine. Since the date is obvious enough, and since I don't want to help those faking such coins with feedback, I won't list them.

With the IHC series, luckily the mint changed the size, form, and slant of the date and numbers all the time. Fakers can't seem to figure it out and it makes it easier to identify those fakes.

This is clearly a modern Chinese fake. It's actually not a very good one, however, by their current standards. If this was made 10-15 years ago, I'd say they did alright, but the ones they are usually putting out these days can be pretty scary. This one is actually pretty wrong (mostly with the date once again).
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 Posted 11/10/2012  3:50 pm  Show Profile   Check 52Raymo's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add 52Raymo to your friends list
You really didn't need to look any further than the date.
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 Posted 11/10/2012  4:17 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Bryan1315 to your friends list
was this an ebay purchase? if it was I would check into sending it back and getting a refund through ebay's Buyer Protection. That way you can learn something and also don't have to take a hit for it. I am not sure how much you paid for this coin but if it isn't returnable I hope it wasn't much. I also want to you to the forum and hope this doesn't turn you against collecting coins no matter what the outcome is
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 Posted 11/10/2012  4:22 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ninamason to your friends list
Zeevg,

Agreeing with hesgut. IHC are my pet coin, and the first thing that jumped out at me was the face. I'm not even sure I can explain exactly what's wrong in terms of "font slant, position" the way others here do, but the forehead and the eye are "off" in relation to each other and to the field of the coin.


May I recommend that if you want to start out an IHC set, you hit ebay? There is a seller there named coinman2000 who starts a bunch of lower-value IHC every week at 99 cents; I picked up an 1862 in F from him/them for $4 + shipping. (Mods: I don't know this seller, but I am confident that what I got is genuine, hence the suggestion.) In these lots you will encounter "problem coins" (in the sense that some are cleaned or corroded and none listed at this price are high grade), but they'll be real and having some low-value, genuine IHC you can study will be a great help without putting a ding in your pocketbook.

You can also stick around here (we'd love to have you!); I've been here for something like six months at the outside, and I've learned volumes. Folks here are incredibly knowledgeable and willing to answer questions.
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