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Vermont Coppers.....one You Don't See Every Day, Ryder 15

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 Posted 07/01/2013  11:33 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ambro51 to your friends list
Another Favorite! Vermont-Coppers.....one-You-Don't-See-Every-Day,-Ryder-15 Vermont-Coppers.....one-You-Don't-See-Every-Day,-Ryder-15
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 Posted 07/01/2013  12:07 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jerseyben to your friends list
Ok, I must ask. What is "special" about Ryder-10? Ryder-9 is obvious but maybe I am missing something about 10?
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 Posted 07/01/2013  12:37 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add philadelphian to your friends list

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Keeping an eye on New York

Sorry, Conder. Looking at a rising sun over the Green Mountains of Vermont, the sun's eyes must be looking at Canada, not New York.
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 Posted 07/01/2013  2:19 pm  Show Profile   Check vermontensium's eBay Listings Check vermontensium's eCrater Listings Bookmark this reply Add vermontensium to your friends list
Vermont was a Republic hoping to become the fourteenth State "Stella Quarta Decima", which it did in 1791.
As ambro pointed out, Harmon had no official distribution policy, therefore, his coppers were rather limited within the Colony.

The color on that Ryder 10 is amazing. Wow!
I love how that clip on the Baby Head just missed the top of the head and spared the date.
Great coins!
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 Posted 07/01/2013  3:12 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ambro51 to your friends list
What's really neat though the clipped 9 appears rather nasty, the central detail is amazing. The far left powder horn shows a round incuse rim at the base. I've never seen that on any other coin.
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 Posted 07/01/2013  3:53 pm  Show Profile   Check vermontensium's eBay Listings Check vermontensium's eCrater Listings Bookmark this reply Add vermontensium to your friends list
That is pretty neat!

Lower grade Ryder 8

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Ryder 2

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 Posted 07/01/2013  3:56 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ambro51 to your friends list
What's special about the Ryder 10? Well, really nothing except they are all different and most are defective/rustic to the extreme. The artist who done those concise drawings in Crosby never even attempted the 10 reverse, and had no idea of how the wreath and hair was detailed. There were simply no high grade examples known. That was before my UNC surfaced and is a condition outlier with an XF in the Bennington Museum next best. I do really like these bust lefts because of their tie in to 14 year old William Buel It is mentioned that the legends on these coins was done by Coley, but I believe William made these dies. The lettering is not up to the other varieties, strange uses of the 1 as an I, and of course the very act of trying to overdate the die is something I can't see an experienced die maker doing. Also these coins were able to "migrate" and mix in with the myriad Conneticut, imitation and genuine English halfpence. This allowed them to circulate much more freely than the landscapes.
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 Posted 07/01/2013  4:01 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ambro51 to your friends list
Here's a Ryder 19. This is an R5 and easily told by how far the N is from the O. There is also a massive die break just off CTORI. This coin though has been messed with and a raised rim spooned around and has been holed. Too bad as its a great planchet and retains detail and has crisp lettersVermont-Coppers.....one-You-Don't-See-Every-Day,-Ryder-15 Vermont-Coppers.....one-You-Don't-See-Every-Day,-Ryder-15
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 Posted 07/01/2013  4:11 pm  Show Profile   Check vermontensium's eBay Listings Check vermontensium's eCrater Listings Bookmark this reply Add vermontensium to your friends list
Too bad as the coin does have great detail and yes, a nice planchet.

My Ryder 10 has a fantastic planchet..too bad the edge was messed with; it's still one of my favorite coins. It's actually in a slot in my Large Cent Dansco album.
It's a tough coin with less than 100 examples known (estimate).

Like you, there is something special about the bust lefts with me
I also think William was directly involved.
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 Posted 07/01/2013  4:44 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add paddy murphy to your friends list
Anybody know what this one is?

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 Posted 07/01/2013  5:21 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ambro51 to your friends list
Here's a Ryder 11. Obverse is pitted and flawed, while the reverse is smooth. This is a second use coin with the crack from the you to the head. Vermont-Coppers.....one-You-Don't-See-Every-Day,-Ryder-15 Vermont-Coppers.....one-You-Don't-See-Every-Day,-Ryder-15
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 Posted 07/01/2013  5:26 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ambro51 to your friends list
Paddy yours is a Ryder 13. Your coin shows a bit of BRITTANIA on the reverse. That die was used with several imitation halfpence before being coupled with the beautifully cut 13 obverse.
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 Posted 07/01/2013  5:40 pm  Show Profile   Check vermontensium's eBay Listings Check vermontensium's eCrater Listings Bookmark this reply Add vermontensium to your friends list
Nice coin paddy. The reverse of the Ryder 13 is weak, to appear worn, as struck.

Nice Ryder 11 ambro51 :)
Every specimen that I have seen, are struck on fissured and/or pitted flans.
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 Posted 07/01/2013  6:23 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ambro51 to your friends list
This 11 has a pretty nice planchet but not flawless by any means. I love those dentils! Vermont-Coppers.....one-You-Don't-See-Every-Day,-Ryder-15 Vermont-Coppers.....one-You-Don't-See-Every-Day,-Ryder-15
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 Posted 07/01/2013  6:44 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ambro51 to your friends list
This is a Ryder 27. A common variety though quite rare when early die state, non dug planchet and tan color with glossy surfaces come together. There was a drop dead gorgeous strongly struck high grade piece in the Phila C4 auction that went for $900 or so. A real nice coin this variety is really Vermont (and Machins Mill) Masterpiece. Clearly this coin and the obverse of 13 were done by a talented individual. Vermont-Coppers.....one-You-Don't-See-Every-Day,-Ryder-15 Vermont-Coppers.....one-You-Don't-See-Every-Day,-Ryder-15
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