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They look like scratches to me too.
There is metal movement.
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They look like scratches to me too.
There is metal movement. Some people call them gouges because of the width but whatever you call them, they look like PMD in the images. |
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Reposting the original image of the coin. The designers stylized initals are emblazoned on the indian's cheek....and there is a lot of other stuff too, Chance  |
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Scratches. They don't look like clashmarks, don't appear to match the gown lines, if the designers initials were on the cheek that area of the field would not be by the gown lines, and the cheek is the deepest void in the die there is no way the designers initials could be clashed at that point. Sorry it all looks like PMD to me. |
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Not to be a bummer or anything, but I'm in agreement--I don't see clash marks either.
When dies clash, the fields strike first, preventing most if not all incuse details from transferring.
So the drapery folds would be very difficult to transfer. What you would see first is the outline of a figure.
This is why a common clash on IHCs is the wreath outlined around Liberty's head--but no wreath detail is transferred.
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07/11/2013 1:47 pm
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I just see a badly abused cent.
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 multi denominational clashes are very cool though I waited a long time to find the right 1864LM FS-901 clashed w/ Indian Head cent to add to my collection. Even ran a contest on it after I won the coin on ebay here on CCF! "Buy the Book Before You Buy the Coin" - Aaron R. Feldman - "And read it" - Me 2013! ANA Life Member #3288 in good standing since 1981, ANS, Early American Coppers Member (EAC), Colonial Coin Collectors Club member (C4), Conder Token Collector Club member (CTCC), Civil War Token Society (CWTS) member, Liberty Seated Collectors Club (LSCC) & Numismatic Bibliomania Society member (NBS), USMex, Member in good standing, 2¢ variety collector. See my want page: http://goccf.com/t/140440Edited by westcoin
07/12/2013 01:22 am
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Maybe I'm mis-using the word clash ... probably the wrong vernacular. I see a lot of coins though .. that have devices on them that simply don't belong there. The most recent is this 1875 seated half. It has foreign devices transferred to the fields. The closest thing I can come up with is the Belgium 20 franc coin, which was a gold coin, so it couldn't be an undertype. Plus ... it's reversed. I also bought a Flying Eagle cent that had pieces of struck scrap between the die and the planchet, and which left impressions of part of the hair braids and cord from a Liberty quarter eagle impressed into the coin's devices. Those are not reversed, and are incuse. Take a look at this seated half....maybe I'm just plain "nuts". You'll have to enlarge the image to see the detail. If you don't know how t do it, display the jpeg ina seperate window, and while holding down the "control" key, press the "+" key. Every tie you hit "+" it increases the size of the image by 25%. Chance  |
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I just tried to look at the seated half image ... and by the time the image "optimizer" ... miser might be more accurate, by the time it compresses it ... it becaomes difficut to "read". I will publish an enlarged image to my IMGUR account and post it here.
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I now have this IHC in hand and am more convinced than ever that this occured during striking. The "scratches" have details within them that could only have occurred during striking. I am going to buy a camera to take really close up pictures. I'll post pictures of this when I get it. Chance. |
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I took this picture with my fuji finepix andhand held close up filters from my old Canon SLR Chance  |
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That's a gorgeous pic, but it's good enough to show how the marks continue up and over the letters, and even the rim, the way no clash should, deforming the metal like a scratch.
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The last photo is a slam-dunk for PMD, the gouges start in the fields and continue over the top of the devices |
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The metal is obviously pushed around, leaving edges above the fields. Oh well. |
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Did you send it in to rick snow? does he agree its PMD? |
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