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Pillar of the Community
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VF20 (very likely higher in a PCGS slab)
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Bedrock of the Community
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I'll go higher and say VF-30.
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Pillar of the Community
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VF20 by Canadian standards
Could go as high as EF in a PCGS slab.
"Dipping" is not considered cleaning...
-from PCGS website
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I'll say PCGS graded it, EF-40
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Pillar of the Community
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VF 20 in an ICCS holder V35 in a PCGS holder.
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VF20 PCGS OR ICCS these days. I know you gents like to harp on the fact that ICCS always grades lower but I would say that in recent history (2/3 years) that has not been the case (on the most part with some net grading being the exception). I've cross graded 6 coins from US TPGs to ICCS, all different coins, at different grade levels, ALL come back at par. Also, I recently submitted 4 x 1964 mint wrapped PL Dollars from an original mint box (shipped from RCM in 1964) to NGC and ICCS. All 8 coins came back PL65 (4 ICCS, 4 NGC). So where I agree that in some cases there has been disparity, it would be unfair to say that it exists with any consistency today. |
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PCGS EF 45 ICCS VF 20 maybe 30 ?
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 Most of y'all had it pretty much nailed. And thanks for the info. It is good to know more clearly about the differences in Canadian grading and American grading. |
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The only one who nailed it TYVM
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Right on Pacificoin,and another nail in the coffin for TheCoinHunter's theory.While NGC and PCGS are getting much better at reliably grading uncirculated Canadian coins,they continue to suck at grading in the F-AU ranges,getting it wrong at least 75% of the time and misleading unsuspecting collectors into situaions where they will part with too much money for a given coin.
"Dipping" is not considered cleaning...
-from PCGS website
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I would have graded this one VF-30 myself. The NFLD Edward VII strikes are notoriously weak, and anyone who has ever held a mint state coin from this series in their hands, would understand. The only fully struck 20-cent coin from 1904H that I have ever seen, is the one formerly from the Point Grey collection (PCGS MS-67). http://images.pcgs.com/CoinFacts/25..._800x600.jpg"Discovery follows discovery, each both raising and answering questions, each ending a long search, and each providing the new instruments for a new search." -- J. Robert OppenheimerContent of this post is licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution-NonCommercial 3.0 Unported License. See: http://creativecommons.org/licenses...0/deed.en_USMy eBay store
Edited by SPP-Ottawa
12/22/2013 11:56 pm
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SPP,I think your vision is obscured by smoke from the toaster ;) Here's a once reasonably well struck VF30 http://www.ebay.com/itm/1904-1904H-...em5d305c6a1bAnd a weakly struck VF30 http://www.ebay.com/itm/1904H-Newfo...em1e73f02663Neither of these coins exhibit as much wear as the OP's VF35 As for the PCGS MS67 in your link,the regalia,inner collar and eye area appear to suffer from typical Edwardian weakness.You'll reply it looks better in hand,but an MS67 professionally photographed should exhibit a superior strike. "Dipping" is not considered cleaning...
-from PCGS website
Edited by DBM
12/23/2013 01:13 am
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I will have to agree with DBM ,I dont think it grades that high either...
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Here's a once reasonably well struck VF30... I think ICCS completely missed the mark on that one. Given the lustre and the strike, that coin is EF-40 all day... I am tempted to buy it, and resubmit it as part of an experiment... But I won't. ICCS also completely missed, or didn't comment on, the large scratch that runs from the back of the head, over the ear and to the temple. This is a perfect example of ICCS's "net grading". If that scratch was not there - would ICCS still graded it VF-30? "Discovery follows discovery, each both raising and answering questions, each ending a long search, and each providing the new instruments for a new search." -- J. Robert OppenheimerContent of this post is licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution-NonCommercial 3.0 Unported License. See: http://creativecommons.org/licenses...0/deed.en_USMy eBay store
Edited by SPP-Ottawa
12/23/2013 09:40 am
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DBM, My theories are backed by some experimental fact. I posted (on these forums) 5 coins over a period of time of coins that have been cross graded at par. That's a factual reality. Not saying that the disparity doesn't happen, but to claim that it's consistent across the board is just factually incorrect. So unless you can provide some specific cross graded examples, I'll have to stick with my theory. BTW, the first ICCS coin posted is absolutely net graded as SPP states.
Edited by TheCoinHunter
12/23/2013 12:51 pm
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