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1967 Tubed Cents

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 Posted 04/23/2014  11:30 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Collector-Corner to your friends list
probably the coin here didnt get kicked out of the collar in time. A blank planchet, or another coin that been partially hammered lands ontop of this coin and it gets hammered again, leaving the blank planchets imprint on the coin above.

That theory could be easily debunked or proven correct, depending on what the reverse has to show. Since nothing is actually doubled on a the coin, other than a rim, it more than likely came from another coin.

That would be some major die clash.... they'd end up tossing the die or using a ton of sandpaper to remove.
Double strike on this single coin would definately show more devices at the off center point.

The Circle at the chin looks to be the size of the "O" in ONE Cent, but as deep as it is, there should be more to this if this was a die clash.....

Too hard to tell if another coin can be positioned ontop of this one, to see if the "O" in ONE lined up just right. If another coin fits in that off center ring, it belongs to another coin.
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04/23/2014 11:35 am
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 Posted 04/23/2014  12:32 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coop to your friends list
Second clue: Note the semi-circle ring on the coin's surface. Question: What could have caused this? (No one is getting close yet)
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 Posted 04/23/2014  1:16 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Halo1st to your friends list
Struck through another cent first. Once out of the collar and once again proper in the collar. Think I see Lincolns shoulder impression from the other coin, which would mean it was flipped. The 6 is raised but the 9 has a shelf inside the semi circle, which is puzzling.
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04/23/2014 1:29 pm
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 Posted 04/23/2014  3:09 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add bpoc1 to your friends list
What is the whitish looking color on the bottom rim? Has that anything to do with it?
edit Is this some form of a "Mule" coin?
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04/23/2014 3:11 pm
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 Posted 04/23/2014  3:20 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Agrippa to your friends list
Possibly struck through twice? Is that possible? Look at the arced line that goes from the bottom of the bust to the "9". It looks to be separate and to the left of the main larger arc going through the majority of the coin.
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 Posted 04/23/2014  3:28 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Alexer to your friends list
It kind of looks like struck through a VLS die cap that might have shifted or fallen on your coin off center. just a guess
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 Posted 04/23/2014  3:32 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DrDon to your friends list
Would the word "clash " be in the description?
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 Posted 04/23/2014  3:58 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add trent to your friends list
I'm aving a hard time seeing what parts are raised or recessed. I can see it in the date, but it's lost on my eyes in the semi-circular part. All I can think of is another coin or planchet that got in the way.
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I probably shouldn't say this, but this isn't a single "process".
this is where the "hypathetical" guesses come into play.
Without seeing the reverse, its like a detective going to a crime scene when half the evidence was already carted away.
You'll only get Half- errrrr answers.
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 Posted 04/23/2014  4:25 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add bpoc1 to your friends list

Quote:
Without seeing the reverse, its like a detective going to a crime scene when half the evidence was already carted away.
You'll only get Half- errrrr answers.


That "Coop" can fool us all. Love it!
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 Posted 04/23/2014  7:21 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coop to your friends list
OK, now we are getting some where. The reverse needs to be seen. The reverse is normal except for one area:
1967-Tubed-Cents
1967-Tubed-Cents

Now if this was a striking issue with the coin being struck twice, the reverse should look like what?

So lets sum up the facts so far:
1. The coin is not round.
2. The higher devices and the fields are affected.
3. There is a rim mark on the obverse.
4. The reverse does not show any transfer on the reverse and is actually flattened.
So what do we have here?

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04/23/2014 8:55 pm
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 Posted 04/23/2014  8:58 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jay4202472000 to your friends list
I think PMD (squeeze job).
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 Posted 04/23/2014  9:13 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coop to your friends list
DING DING! You got it. In a different roll of the three tubes I later found this cent:
1967-Tubed-Cents
1967-Tubed-Cents
The cause of the damaged coin.

So thinking the BU coins in the tubes were not altered was a wrong assumption.
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 Posted 04/23/2014  9:44 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jay4202472000 to your friends list
Awesome! Even though it's damage, you got a "mated pair"! Lol!
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 Posted 04/23/2014  9:55 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coop to your friends list
The problem is that anyone with a vise and Two Cents can create one of these. But I'm trying to educate on how to recognize these. There reverse image of the wrinkle finish on the EPU area helps me to realize when we see this on a coin, the coin has been altered. What ever they used to keep the vise from making the teeth marks on the outside two coins, is now transferred a wrinkled finish.
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