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Storing Ancients Like Modrens?

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 Posted 01/03/2015  4:44 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add pishpash to your friends list
My case for coin trays, you have to get the tray separately, you get different sized inserts. They are not cheap but I got some half price on ebay. I got the case that takes 8 trays. There is a smaller version that takes 4 trays.

http://www.amazon.com/Carrying-Alum...p/B007OWGBQO

I wouldn't keep coins in wood, even if they are in flips. Maybe if they were in airtight ccapsules it might be OK. There is information if you google wood and coins.
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 Posted 01/03/2015  4:47 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Tom Goodheart to your friends list
Here in the UK, coin cabinets are still reasonably popular.

Coins sit on small rounds of felt in recesses cut in mahogany trays. Traditionally information about the coin is written on a paper disk that tucks under the felt.

My coins aren't ancient but maybe this pic will give you the idea:

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And if you have any reservations, perhaps it might help to mention the same storage method has been used by major British coin dealers such as Spink and Baldwins, as well as the British Museum, for many decades.

Cabinets aren't the cheapest option as they are usually made to order. But they will provide attractive and safe storage for years.
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01/03/2015 4:55 pm
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Here a picture from a slightly larger 'Münzkabinett' Storing-Ancients-Like-Modrens?
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 Posted 01/03/2015  4:57 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Harmonica to your friends list
pishpash, the link is not working, not sure if it is because I am in chrome or if it is because I am Canadian.

Tom Goodheart, that cabinet looks stunning! I seen a similar apperatice in the British Museums website on Persian coins! I think I will try to find an aluniminum version with felt trays for now and someday buy one of those.

So I can hold these coins like they are just bottle caps?
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 Posted 01/03/2015  5:33 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add pishpash to your friends list
Try this link.
http://www.lindner-original.de/en/n...nkoffer.html

If the coin is ancient, you can handle it. I would make an exception in one case. I dream of this coin:
http://www.colosseocollection.com/p...d7c#hcd9ad7c
Toning caused by eruption of Mt Vesuvius 89AD.
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 Posted 01/03/2015  5:38 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Tom Goodheart to your friends list
Lidl (a German cut-price grocery company) sells these here in the UK for under Can$25:

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I believe Lidl is coming to Canada! And if not .. there will no doubt be something similar available I'm sure.


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So I can hold these coins like they are just bottle caps?


Weeeell ... sort of! My coins are as I say, not ancient. They all date from the first half of the 1600s. And are silver. So they are mostly toned, with a few having been cleaned as they were dug finds (the cleaning is usually done by a museum while the find is catalogued and valued).

Some have been in collections for over 100 years, during which time they have been handled, admired and discussed. In some cases probably by a group of gentlemen after a nice meal, so I can imagine they may even have been exposed to fumes from brandy and cigars!

I suspect there's little harm now in careful handling, by which I mean with clean dry hands by the edges and not being dropped! The toning is stable (OK, it might darken with a bit of time, but these aren't coins I expect to look as if they were struck yesterday. I accept some toning and patination in a 350+ year old coin.

So I'm not overly 'precious' with my coins. But I wouldn't give them to a group of six-year-olds to play shove penny with them either!

That help?



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Here a picture from a slightly larger 'Münzkabinett'


Very nice Medieval. Yours?

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01/03/2015 5:42 pm
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 Posted 01/03/2015  5:42 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Harmonica to your friends list
Yes, thank you. I would not rub my thumb on the bust or try to spin them. WHat I think I mght do is take one of my milk crates and these jewerly trays and make a coin cabinet.

http://www.amazon.ca/Slot-Jewelry-S...ds=coin+tray

Then someday a mahogany one!
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 Posted 01/03/2015  5:43 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add pishpash to your friends list
If your coins are ancient Roman or Greek then yes you can handle them. And yes, you can give them to a bunch of 6/7 year olds, I did. I made up a collection of coins (to donate to a local school) with a bit about the emperor, there were 27 large coins. I also gave them a few uncleaned coins to show them how they looked when they were dug, and about 70 coins, mainly AE3s as "a handful of change".

I would treat medieval coins with a little more respect!
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 Posted 01/03/2015  5:49 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Tom Goodheart to your friends list
Sounds like a plan Harmonica! I would just say that if the jewellery trays smell .. 'chemically' (some have foam glued underneath and you don't always know how this, or the glues, are made) I'd just keep an eye on the coins for the first month or two.

Any more-rapid-than-might-be-expected darkening or toning and maybe remove them in case there's a chemical reason. Mahogany (which needs to have been properly seasoned) is favoured because it doesn't release any fumes or oils that have been observed to affect coins.

But as I said, these are not shiny silver proofs that are expected to remain 'blast white' for eternity. Some toning is natural (and to my eyes, desirable. Such as this .. pleasantly toned by time (IMHO of course!))

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To my mind you lose something not being able to handle a coin. Those in slabs where you can't really see the edges or tell how heavy it is, or even touched only through gloves, aren't experienced the way the coin was when it was made and spent. Being able to touch a coin is like touching history.

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01/03/2015 6:13 pm
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 Posted 01/04/2015  10:13 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add antwerpen2306 to your friends list
I had old wooden boxes and made myself the divisions for the coins .I use these boxes only for greek and roman silver coins .

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 Posted 01/05/2015  03:44 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Topcat7 to your friends list

O.K. Someone has to ask.

When you close the lid, what stops the coins from falling down?
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 Posted 01/05/2015  03:54 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Fuzzy317 to your friends list
I would guess those are trays that stack inside. They were pulled out and placed in the lid for display purposes.
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 Posted 01/05/2015  08:30 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add antwerpen2306 to your friends list
of course fuzzy is right , every box has 2 trays , one placed now in the lid for display purposes .
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 Posted 01/05/2015  2:11 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Harmonica to your friends list
Ugh, so I started this thread https://goccf.com/t/194173

and have been getting different answers. Given what I have said here and over in that thread does my idea sound viable?

Thank you in advance.
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 Posted 01/05/2015  2:41 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Tom Goodheart to your friends list
Yes, sounds viable to me Harmonica.

I think SsuperDave was questioning whether there would be a lid or cover to your storage. I'd say that would be sensible. You don't want to tip cup of coffee over them or get them dusty or they'll need .. well, dusting!

You also might want to consider if you live somewhere that is damp, or by the sea where the air is salty, the coins could tone more and quicker than if in a dry, warm or centrally heated environment.

I know if I left mine on a windowsill they would darken further. Something I don't particularly want as I (mostly) like how my coins are right now.

But this is all common sense. I reckon you'll be fine. Just remember,

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01/05/2015 2:42 pm
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