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Pillar of the Community
United States
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I agree with you, even though I don't collect anything modern besides a bullion coin or two. I have 2 sisters that I just got into collecting mint and proof sets last week.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Also...... A LOT of coin collectors absolutely "shun" moderns......they couldn't care less what new coins come out.....they're not buying them anyway. They'll buy 1600's, 1700's, 1800's and that's it. Moderns just don't "do it" for them and they're not excited by them at all. So whatever happens would have little effect on them.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Diversity hasn't hurt the Perth Mint as far as I know. They keep putting out a vast variety of coins for almost any interest. You may not like the "Shark" series but may love the "Exotic Automobile" series. Maybe the US Mint should do like the Postal service did with the "Vote for Elvis you want on the new Stamp" and let collectors vote on what would meet their interests rather than saying here's what you get. I think the Presidential dollars should have been something like a Commemorative Roll with all the Presidents in one roll rather than 4 per year since no one is apparently using them anyway, at least they would be collectible! What parent wouldn't put back a roll or two for their kids? |
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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I generally agree, but I think this may be more of a "gilded age" for coins. For the past few decades, there's been a series of collector crazes for everything from beanie babies, "collector/investment art", to coins. But, because so many things deemed "collectable" have been marketed as investments, we're seeing a lot of trumped up values, and an ensuing rush for people (ie retirees) to park money there. Too much emphasis is being placed on collecting for the sake of making money. Just look at that scam called "Coin Vault" on cable TV. People might get disappointed by these "investments" but ultimately the collector who enjoys coins will win out. Have fun!  Edited by KurtS
01/23/2008 4:49 pm
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Valued Member
United States
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Funny, I have the opposite view of the period of 1983-1998. I began collecting (ASE's) in the early 90's while silver was heading down and there was not much interest in coins and dealers thought ASE's were just another form of bullion (I personally look at them as the 20th century version of the Morgan dollar - which also weren't really made for circulation in a sense). Now dealers are slowly waking up to ASE's as a collectable coin and prices are going higher for just about everything. Mind you I think that the current stock market downturn is a great time to buy, but then I prefer to buy things cheaper. I hope the coin market and metals market tanks soon too...  By the way, welcome to the forum!  |
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 United States
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eadlefoot, I agree they couldn't care less. But I think that moderns have directly helped those collectors out bigtime. To use a sports analagy: Tiger Woods has done more to save golf than any golfer in recent history, LeBron has done much to revive the NBA. Whether one likes or dislike Tiger or LeBron they've done so much to rejuvinate there sports. And whether non-modern collectors like it or not, I think modern coins have brought so many new collecters to the table that the values of non-modern's collections and opportunities within the hobbies of directly benefitted. Not being argumentative, but I just get the feeling sometimes that some collectors (not you) look down on moderns and those that collect them.
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Pillar of the Community
Germany
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I think in some respects you are right, the modern coins get people into collecting and then when they can afford older coins they turn to older coins.
In the UK we have a problem that we had a change to decimalised coins in 1971 and since then the 1 and 2 pence coins are almost the same, with a change in wording and a different portrait, but there were many years where these coins had an interesting period but the coins were not to be found in change.
But, this year we are seeing a change in the coins from 1p to probably 1 pound or 50p, and this might, just might make people curious, though we have had 50p and 2 pound coins circulating with different patterns every year and no one seems to notice.
However, golden age means things cost more.
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United States
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hmmmm....I think that the mint might already be taking it too far. Like many many collectors, the State Quarters are what turned me into a genuine collector--I went from setting aside Wheaties and the one Buffalo I had (just because I like old things) to having a relatively broad collection of many different types and sets. I also saved all the Lewis and Clark nickels, though I have grown to dislike them in the past year or so. After the novelty wore off, I just got sick of them. I also have no real interest in the President coins (Sacs I do like though.) Now, I'm not sure exactly how I'll like the new pennies but my gut feeling is I won't like them and will just collect them for the sake of having a complete Lincoln collection. I can tell you this though--I would be much happier if the Mint cancelled the 4 new reverses and just came out with 1 new reverse to replace the memorial for the next 50 years. Nothing against the memorial (I find it to be the most beautiful or all the current reverses) but I think 50 years is a good run for any coin and its time for a change, just not another one-year series to collect. And, regarding the general-non-collecting population, bearly any have taken a liking (or notice for that matter) to the new nickels, Pres coins or, I doubt, the new pennies. I see it working at a cash register. People still look at the quarters, but no one even glances at a Nickel or gives a dollar coin a second thought--right in the pocket they go. Bottom line, don't give the coins a 70+ year life span, but enough with the one year sets already, --gary Edited by GFR3
01/23/2008 6:56 pm
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Maybe the US Mint should do like the Postal service did with the "Vote for Elvis you want on the new Stamp" and let collectors vote on what would meet their interests rather than saying here's what you get.
 Great idea! |
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Rest in Peace
United States
3730 Posts |
Dorion, I was about 18 when I first really started getting "into" coin collecting. At that time there was NOTHING regarding U.S. coins except for the circulating coinage. So, even though I think our mint (the Government) views the consumer as its "cash cow," I can say this era is so much better that the late 50's and early 60's regarding a variety of coins.  Edited by Gary Burke
01/24/2008 12:38 am
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Valued Member
United States
374 Posts |
Personally I dont like the moderns. I will buy some rolls of eagles but only for bullion purposes. Same for gold or platinum moderns. I realize dealers make money of selling moderns. There are certain sets or issues that will be in demand and go up in value. Any moderns I have were part of a collection purchase. Ilike bust and Seated coins and of course IHP. |
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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There will always be coin collectors. However, there are also still stamp collectors, Beanie Baby collectors, etc. The government distroyed the stamp collecting hobby with excessive varieties. The Beanie Baby stuff ended for the same reason. Remember the Baseball/Football cards. That too ended with excessive production of those. Practically any collectable that ended was due to excessive amounts being produced. The Mint is now in the process of doing this with our coinage. The Bicentennials were the first, then the State Quarters, president dollars and their wives, tons of commemoratives. Becoming now to many for the average person. They will distroy this hobby soon enough. |
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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 Exactly Carl. I am a victim of all those "collectibles" you described. That's why I primarly do old Type coins, they aren't going to come out with "new tier levels" (UNC, Clad Proof, Reverse Proof, Silver Proof, Satin...) of them ever!  |
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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I would be much happier if the Mint cancelled the 4 new reverses and just came out with 1 new reverse to replace the memorial for the next 50 years.
The US Mint has no say in the matter- they can only produce coins that are dictated to them through Congressional legislation. |
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Practically any collectable that ended was due to excessive amounts being produced.
Or you might say--anything that is mass-produced to be "collectible" won't ultimately have much collector value. Imo, that holds true for Beanie Babies, Thomas Kinkade "paintings", or most coin sets made for collectors: it's just a way to make money on collector crazes, using the sales pitch that someday these knock-offs will be valuable collections desired by all. Or more accurately put--coming soon to a garage sale near you! In a historical context, we know it seldom happens that way. With the exception of a few true masterpieces recognized in their day, it's mostly obscure and unrecognized items that only become "collectible" later due to rarity, trends, or some special quality. Van Gogh paintings were hardly collectible until they were widely recognized for their genius. You can hardly manufacture that. I don't think real collecting will be hurt by these crazes. Sure, the market gets flooded by junk, but somewhere there are a few special coins that aren't getting much attention. It's those few coins that will be valuable someday. Edited by KurtS
01/24/2008 2:17 pm
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