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Are All Those Chinese Counterfeits Worth Nothing At All?

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 Posted 02/10/2016  6:08 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add swamperbob to your friends list
Here are three former posts of mine with "ugly eagles". These are all Contemporary Circulating types and are rather valuable.

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This last one is a very ugly contemporary copy of a Portrait 8R - almost nothing on the coin is correct. It is worth over one hundred dollars to a specialist.

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 Posted 02/10/2016  9:44 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Spence to your friends list
Ok thanks everyone (especially swamperbob and colonialjohn). I can see that I have set my sights a little too high for these. Seems like a cheap lesson and now I just need to see if I have 0%, 10%, or 20% silver content. Woohoo!
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 Posted 02/10/2016  10:14 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add swamperbob to your friends list
I don't know about you, but where I come from (North Carolina) it is hard to find anyone who will buy 10 or even 20% silver items at all. When they do make an offer it is always at a huge discount from spot.

That is why I find so many Mexican 10% silver coins in the 5 or 10 for a dollar junk box.
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 Posted 02/10/2016  10:21 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Spence to your friends list
Yes good point. I've been thinking that sometime I should melt down all my "junk" silver alloy coins, remove the slag, and end up with cast bars that are reasonably pure. Alas, a project which will require time that I don't currently have.
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 Posted 02/17/2016  3:35 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Philip2 to your friends list
Quite an ugly coin but I think this one comes very close: A 5 Shillings "coin" from the Bank of Uganda. Celebrating the royal wedding of 23rd of july 1068 (!).


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 Posted 02/18/2016  03:36 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add swamperbob to your friends list
Wow that coin is ugly.

I had no idea that Charles and Dianna were married 20 years after William I conquered England.
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 Posted 02/18/2016  04:58 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Philip2 to your friends list
It actually depicts Prince Andrew and Sarah Ferguson. ;-)

The official "host" coin is a 50 Pence of St. Helena and Ascension, struck in 1986.
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 Posted 02/18/2016  06:09 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Spence to your friends list
Very interesting to see those same lips. Maybe our coins came from the same "artist"?
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 Posted 02/18/2016  6:25 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Albert to your friends list
Oddly enough I happen to stumble upon this topic and sure enough, I have the same "Judge Judy" 50 PENOE and I feature it as my most cartoonish in the lot. I'm thinking at least a couple members here collect as I do.



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 Posted 02/18/2016  8:03 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Spence to your friends list
Penoe collectors unite!
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 Posted 02/18/2016  8:28 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Albert to your friends list
Some of these are so good and others are so bad.
Some are so good it's really hard to tell while others are so sloppy they reveal themselves at a glance.
I decided to document those that I've found with measures and pictures so others can see what to look for.
Someday I'll figure out a way to share all that info and photographs. As they are now, they exist in binder form and I'm winding up Taels, then going on to Chinese Republic Dollars and then Dragon Dollars.
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 Posted 02/18/2016  9:29 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add gxseries to your friends list
There is no reason why people should even spend a single cent on it. The cost of producing one of such counterfeit is less than 20 cents give and take. Give it a dollar and you are being too generous.
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 Posted 02/18/2016  10:49 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add swamperbob to your friends list
Albert Yes there are some of us who do collect things like you do. I have been collecting counterfeits since 1960 - that is 56 years now. In my own collection I have over 10,000 examples of counterfeits, replicas, forgeries, alterations and frauds of various types.

spence What do you mean by penoe? Do the letters mean something?

gxseries The cost of 10 to 20 cents each is a bulk production figure. Securing just one example of each type can be hard to do for less than $1. I buy any that I believe might expand my understanding of how they were made. I will pay more for emerging technologies to understand what is going on. This of course applies only to recently made forgeries. If I spot a forgery in an NGC holder I will go as high as $100 because that is the finders fee for returning an encapsulated forgery.
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 Posted 02/19/2016  03:02 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Albert to your friends list
He's talking about this PENOE as well as the Elizabeth U:


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 Posted 03/06/2016  10:14 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add paxbrit to your friends list
If we are ever invaded by Chinese Hordes, these will be of the most use after melting down and casting into bullets to shoot at them with, otherwise, no value.
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