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US 100 - Error Or Just Anomaly?

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 Posted 08/20/2016  8:50 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Broken-Coin to your friends list
I just found both, 1 is PCGS & the other is PMG Certified..

They are calling them Mismatched Prefix Errors, and the top price is $2,500 for a star note..

I would never call it a error, and since I'm on my Tablet, I saved the listings on ebay & will eMail you both listings and wait for your reply..

And to the poster, to our little world
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08/20/2016 9:10 pm
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 Posted 08/20/2016  9:15 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Broken-Coin to your friends list
Steve,

Both listings emailed to you & the poster (after noticing his email address)..

I just corrected the prices above..
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08/20/2016 9:41 pm
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 Posted 08/20/2016  9:25 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Buddy to your friends list


My guess is that it is a little bit of extra ink on the serial plate ....or on a advancing wheel....
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 Posted 08/20/2016  9:42 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Buddy to your friends list
Okay, I just searched for Mismatched Prefix Errors and there they were! Wowie! Big money and I have no idea how they came up with that name for it... but there they are all certified and everything.

Must go search my notes now.....
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 Posted 08/20/2016  9:44 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Broken-Coin to your friends list
***Errors are addicting***

SteveIn Tampa,

I wanted to post these a few days ago to see if others agreed with what their calling this error..

I have had one or two in the past and never considered it a error & spent the note/s..

Your opinion on this !
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08/21/2016 11:32 am
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 Posted 08/21/2016  1:01 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SteveInTampa to your friends list
Thanks for asking Vernon.

Let me preface my opinion by admitting I am by no means a error expert...far from it.

I own quite a few error notes, and many, if not all are what I call "in your face" errors. The errors are readily visible and need no explaining. The 2 notes you emailed me are described by both PMG and PCGS as mismatched serial numbers. The small mark on both notes are in the general vicinity of the serial number, so what else would you call it ? In my opinion, both notes have sky high asking prices. We all know that an asking price and a selling price are two different animals and someone must have lobbied hard to both grading companies to have this designation applied. I viewed the sold listings and was unable to find any examples recently sold.

If a collector wants this at this price than more power to him.....I prefer more obvious errors.
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 Posted 08/21/2016  5:02 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Buddy to your friends list

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The small mark on both notes are in the general vicinity of the serial number, so what else would you call it ?


A bit of stray ink?


I feel certain that I have seen similar things and dismissed it as nothing more than a bit of sloppiness during production.

Next one I find.... I will track down that dealer that's asking for thousands and see what he's willing to pay for one.
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 Posted 08/21/2016  5:18 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add westernsky to your friends list
To me, it is a very minor inking error that would not warrant tying up money in...(especially "C" note level money)!

You can spend a few bucks and send it in for TPG authentication and grading and see what they call it.
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 Posted 08/21/2016  5:51 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Broken-Coin to your friends list
I cropped out the seller's ID

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 Posted 08/22/2016  8:57 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coinsearcher83 to your friends list
I can see how these can be called mismatched prefix errors. I guess there is another digit slot to the left of the normal suffix, and it's usually set to "space", but in the errors it's set to "overscore" which is probably the letter one turn of the dial away from the "space". I need to start looking for these again.
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 Posted 08/22/2016  9:48 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add xxJOExx to your friends list
To me, calling this a mismatched prefix error is peculiar. The two prefix letters are J and L, and those (presumably) match in both serials of the note, so there isn't a prefix mismatch. The stray mark in the left-hand serial isn't aligned vertically like a prefix letter would be if there was yet another letter in front of the J; no horizontal spacing at all would exist between whatever the mark is and the J. The stray mark also doesn't look as wide as any of the letters or numbers in the serial, so I'm loath to believe its source is another numbering wheel.
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 Posted 08/22/2016  9:58 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add westernsky to your friends list
It is not a dramatic enough of an error to warrant a 2000$ price tag no matter what denomination it occurs on.
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 Posted 08/23/2016  9:03 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add xxJOExx to your friends list
Here is an image from the BEP's website showing an employee manually setting the serialing wheels on a COPE press.
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The resolution isn't good enough to see the wheels in detail, but . . .

Here is a still from a YouTube video that shows a closeup of a single set of serialing wheels.
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In this image, it is apparent that there isn't another serialing wheel in front of the series prefix wheel, so there has to be another explanation for the stray horizontal mark that is sometimes printed along with the serial number. I feel the grading companies have done a disservice by using the mismatched prefix descriptor for notes with that mark.

As an aside, I didn't know that the characters on the letter wheels are closer together than the characters on the number wheels! The number wheels have 10 characters, 0 through 9. The letter wheels must have more characters -- maybe A through L plus a star or a Z? Since the diameter of all of the wheels is the same, it makes sense that the letters would have to be closer together in order to have room for more of them.
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 Posted 08/25/2016  8:41 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Broken-Coin to your friends list

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In this image, it is apparent that there isn't another serialing wheel in front of the series prefix wheel, so there has to be another explanation for the stray horizontal mark that is sometimes printed along with the serial number. I feel the grading companies have done a disservice by using the mismatched prefix descriptor for notes with that mark.


xxJOExx, it looks like the horizontal mark is on the upper right side of the photo, on the outside of prefix "I" located on the (blank) cylinder..

It is in the same position as on both certified notes, and my guess is this cylinder will be replaced with a 3rd prefix cylinder when they start printing AAA Block for Boston, AAB Block for New York, and so on..

I tried my hand at "painting" the area in question, but the hand is a bit shaky..

Thanks for the cylinder photos.. I had requested from the BEP if there were any videos of the 3rd printing showing serial numbers as they are printed on the sheets.. Their reply was they have no overprinting videos..

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