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2 More Birds I Put Into The Flock

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 Posted 07/26/2017  7:20 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Buddy to your friends list
Nice.

I love them, too -- but I don't have many. I think I bought the first one I ever saw....probably over-paid, but I just thought it was really cool.
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 Posted 07/26/2017  7:25 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add indian_hoarder to your friends list
You should like that 1857 even more, as it appears to be a rare obverse of 1856 variety.
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 Posted 07/26/2017  7:27 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Mark1959 to your friends list

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You should like that 1857 even more, as it appears to be a rare obverse of 1856 variety.


I tried to tell the difference of the 56 reverse and this stumps me - can ya tell me what to look for? I know the difference of high leaves compared to low leaves but that's it for me.
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Well, the first thing would be to look at the obverse.

Note the larger, more square O in OF compared to the thinner, more rectangular one in the 1858. That's the easiest diagnostic.

High leaves / low leaves is based on distance from the bottom of the CENT on reverse.

Those are great training photos, as the 1857 has the obverse of 1856, and on the reverses, you can see the high leaves on 1857 and low on 1858.

Cool combo.
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 Posted 07/26/2017  7:40 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Spence to your friends list
great pick-ups!
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 Posted 07/26/2017  9:18 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Bump111 to your friends list
Beauties! One of my favorite designs, too.
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 Posted 07/26/2017  10:32 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Debrajc to your friends list
Very nice Mark!
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To expand on the 1857 Obverse of 1856 -

I was going to type out a long post about the things to look for, but then I found this http://goccf.com/t/38103

The photos from that thread are gone, so I'm putting in my own. The second, or (almost) regular '57 obv is actually a mule clash die variety, so ignore the stuff in the fields. I don't have a plain '57 imaged yet.

The yellow arrows point to the key things/areas to look at and for. The 'O' is typically the easiest, and the 'M' is the most difficult to decipher in my opinion. The "E's" and "F's" are pretty easy to spot.

From the above link:


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For Flying Eagle cent collectors, here's is a very intriguing variety for your collection: the 1857 obverse type of 1856.

Outside of the rare 1956 Flying Eagle pattern, it's one of the scarcer coins in the whole series.
According to my research only a few dozen are attributed by collectors, Rick Snow, and TPG registries.
The actual run is unknown. Compare that to 2300 estimated coins for 1856 in both proof and "business strike" versions.

The history behind this coin is that early in 1857, at least 2 undated obverse dies from the non-proof pattern run for 1856 were impressed with 1857 and used for the initial run of 1857 Flying Eagles. At first glance, the early 1857 and later 1857 may appear the same, but there are some distinct differences, as outlined below. Suffice to say--given the extreme cost of the 1856 FE cent, the 1857 type of 1856 presents an opportunity for the many collectors to own an early 1857 coin struck by the original pattern dies. The coin is also quite scarce--and quickly gaining notoriety. This coin is presently worth 2X-3X the normal 1857, and that appears to be climbing lately.

Below are a few photos taken from a coin I saw recently on ebay. Since I already own the coin, I had done an analysis to determine if this coin were truly a type of 1856, and pass that info on to other collectors. Who knows...another may turn up on ebay. I saw one of these at last week's show--unattributed.

Below are the unique diagnostics of this variety, using a resampled photo form the ebay auction:

The inner shape of the O within "OF" is rectangular, particularly in the upper edge. Because this varies between strike, it must be confirmed by:
The lower apex of the M in AMERICA is thin with a bulbous end that is clearly shifted to the left; the normal 1857 M point is centered between serifs.
The middle serif of F in OF has an exaggerated lower point with concavity on the outer edge of the flare. The normal 1857 has a straight outer edge.



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And my "regular" '57 obverse as a base for comparison. Keep in mind, it's really only the letters you're looking at.


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 Posted 07/27/2017  12:55 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add USSID18 to your friends list
A beautiful American classic coin Mark.
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 Posted 07/27/2017  12:59 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add man2004 to your friends list
Good job Mark. I would have never noticed the 56 obverse. Thank you for the information too.
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 Posted 07/27/2017  11:33 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Mark1959 to your friends list
Thanks everybody for your replies and information!!
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Nice additions!
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 Posted 07/31/2017  7:46 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Dorado to your friends list
Nice *birds..
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 Posted 07/31/2017  9:32 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add garys64wildcat to your friends list
Nice Catch.

Those and Indians are my favorites collection and Buffalos are next. I only have 3 birds and they have lost more feathers than yours
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