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1940 Canadian Silver Dime Errors?

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 Posted 07/13/2008  12:54 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add malissadawn to your friends list
no no, I looked at it in hand. thats why I had it bagged seperately. I was goin to post to ask why the edge would have a rollover like that and then I noticed the crack.
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 Posted 07/13/2008  12:57 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add malissadawn to your friends list
i wish I could better explain. you know how theres a flat area all around the coin then the denticles from there? start by looking right at the edge under the word cents and follow all the way around counter clockwise. the flat area gets thinner and thinner until it hits the top and then it splits into that weird part where it looks like the edge rim comes up and over to the front of the coin.
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 Posted 07/13/2008  12:59 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add foundinrolls to your friends list
Hi,

It's called being struck by a slightly misaligned die.

I hope that helps.

Thanks,
Bill
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 Posted 07/13/2008  01:01 am  Show Profile   Check GO's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add GO to your friends list
Geez Bill you could have showed up a bit earlier before I embarrassed myself
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 Posted 07/13/2008  01:02 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add malissadawn to your friends list
lol thanks very much. so does that make this worth less than the book value. do I lower it a grade or mark it damaged or what?
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 Posted 07/13/2008  01:10 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add foundinrolls to your friends list
Hi,

It does not add to the value of the coin:-)and since it is a normal part of the minting process, in this case it doesn't really hurt the value either.

Theoretically, the same coin struck better would be worth a hair more but we aren't talking about a very high value coin to begin with.

Graceoutcast, I've heard things described a coupla thousand different ways so from the description given, I had a good idea what was being asked:-)
You did good:-)

Have Fun,
Bill
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 Posted 07/13/2008  03:03 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add malissadawn to your friends list
Wow I am just going through one folder of the silver dimes and so far here's what I've found
1940- die crack and misaligned die
1941-misaligned die
1942-die crack in same place as the 1940
1943 with all sorts of problems that I don't know the name for.

here's the pictures lets see what you think! (1043dime)

1940-Canadian-Silver-Dime-Errors? 1940-Canadian-Silver-Dime-Errors? 1940-Canadian-Silver-Dime-Errors? 1940-Canadian-Silver-Dime-Errors? 1940-Canadian-Silver-Dime-Errors? 1940-Canadian-Silver-Dime-Errors? 1940-Canadian-Silver-Dime-Errors? 1940-Canadian-Silver-Dime-Errors?
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 Posted 07/13/2008  03:09 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add malissadawn to your friends list
sorry those pictures are huge!! that happens every once in a while. I'm not sure how I do it so not sure how to not do it either

malissa
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 Posted 07/13/2008  08:29 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add pyrbob to your friends list
Malissa, your 1943 appears to have small laminations. This is where the alloy of the metals is not mixed properly and starts to flake. The high edge on your 1940 dime above is called a fin. But yours is a small one. As the dies come together the pressure will sometimes force some of the metal up the side of the die. I personally wouldn't label this coin as a misaligned die on the holder. The reverse die is uncentered a little but still within mint tolerance. To be a MAD it should have some of the design missing. That being said, I like that you're looking thru your coins and noticing these mishaps. It's fun to look through the coins you've had sitting around and make discoveries like this. Keep posting more as you find them.
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 Posted 07/13/2008  10:06 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coop to your friends list
The 1940 dime at the top is not a die crack. If it were a die crack the crack would be seen through the devices (letters in this case). It is a die scratch/gouge. The outside edge of the die is the field. When a scratch or gouge happens it affects only the field and not the devices deeper into the field. a die crack would show through all the letters and not just the field.
The rim distortion is from a miss aligned die (MAD). One die is usually permanently mounted (anvil) the other is adjustable (hammer). When the two are aligned the coin looks normal. When the one that adjusts is not exactly centered you see where the rim is distorted only on one edge of the coin. If the rim was off on both sides of the coin it would be an off center. There are varying degrees of MAD and most times it is also within tolerance. Only extreme examples warrant a premium.
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 Posted 07/13/2008  10:48 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add pyrbob to your friends list
Coop, you bring up a good point here about the misaligned die. My opinion is that a misaligned die is a term used for error coins to describe an error. If the alignment is off but within tolerance then it is not a MAD. One die is uncentered a little but not enough to be called the error. If we use the MAD term too loosely then it can get confusing to collectors just starting out. This is kind of related to the discussion Bill and I had yesterday with the lamination on the 1956 cent. Bill made a very good point that he didn't like using the word lamination when the condition was caused by damage. This also applies to other errors like rotated dies. If two dies are rotated a little bit, say less than 5 degrees, then it is not considered a rotated die error so is it truly correct to say they are rotated dies. Personally I don't think so. But this is only one person's opinion and one person's opinion does not make an answer. How do you feel about this and does anyone else have an opinion on the use of these terms.

Also I agree with you on the die crack. I missed that when I was looking at the coin before. If it were a crack you should see it in the letters also. Good catch.
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 Posted 07/13/2008  11:53 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coop to your friends list
They are still called mis-aligned (MAD) but to the mint they are within tolerance. I feel no real premium unless they are very strong. I've seen an image of one that is valuable, but the rest I feel are just common. I just checked and the image is now gone. I should have copied it for my personal files.



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 Posted 07/13/2008  5:03 pm  Show Profile   Check vermontensium's eBay Listings Check vermontensium's eCrater Listings Bookmark this reply Add vermontensium to your friends list
These guys covered it pretty well Malissa. Cool coin!
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 Posted 07/13/2008  5:48 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add malissadawn to your friends list
thanks for the help everyone. It is only recently that I started noticing that there could e small errors or even large ones on coins. This flip book of dimes that I have I actually put together maybe 10 years ago or so. Somehow either sub-consciously I put in a heck of a lot of dimes with these very minor (or mint accepted) errors or they just had a hard time making the silver dimes in those years.

so far I have found these "errors" on the following years:
1940,1941,1942,1943,1945,1947,1948,1949,1950,1951,1954,and 1956.
I've never seen so much wrong in the same series of coins.

thanks again

malissa
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 Posted 07/14/2008  06:43 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Collector 57 to your friends list
I love those error coins Malissa. The 1943 even has a large section with no rim denticals, or as I call them "railroad tracks" and it,s on the obverse and the reverse. The 1940 looks like it has a double line for the front of his neck. I of course seen your dimes and although your pictures are very good, they dont do your actual coins justice. Nice post, very interesting.
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