Is This 1936 Cent A DDO ?

The coin could both have MD and be a DDO. On a circulated coin, that makes identification doubly difficult (pun intended).

If the coin is 1936 DDO-013, it is also 1936 DDR-003. Closer and sharper photos of EPU would help rule that one in or out, too.

One other possibility is 1936P-1DO-004 on coppercoins.com. While the OPs photos are blurry, I think I can see a possible die crack just west of VDB and a possible die gouge NE from the lower inside end of the bottom curl of the "C" in CENT. There is at least enough hint to beg for sharper photos of those areas, too.

EDIT: edited to clarify which curl of the "C" has the die gouge on the coppercoins.com possibility.

From the pics I still am thinking DDO-013. Your LIBERTY has been mushed a bit (impact over the years), so the openings in the letters are smaller, but to my eyes retain the identical forms. Your N in IGWT looks to be identical to my eyes. The G's doubled cross bar seems to be one on yours, but also flattened liked it was mushed into the normal G crossbar.has the same shape (but also flattened by a hit, to my eyes).

I would need this in hand for me make a definite ID, but as it sits, it looks like the DDO to my eyes. Go to the link, look at their pics, magnify yours, and see if they match.

I think some of the pics on VV look like MD also for this coin, but I think that's just camera angle and ligthing.

Again:

Read the description on DDO-013. The only doubling is on the 6.

DDO-013 cross references to 1DO-005, they are the same die. And 1DO-005 clearly has no doubling on TRUST. The doubling on TRUST pictured in DDO-013 is MD not hub doubling. No where does it say otherwise.

https://coppercoins.com/lincoln/die...ie_state=mds

OPs coin is not DDO-013 and is likely MD.

Given the additional photos, this is a reach. I'm still not entirely able to rule out 1936P-1DO-004 on coppercoins.com.

Looking at the "D" of GOD, I don't see the clear doubling from 1936P-1DO-004, but the coin pictured on coppercoins.com is EDS and the closeup photos leave the left side of the "D" in shadows. If it is 1936P-1DO-004, there should at least be some indication of doubling there, even on an EMDS/MDS coin. The doubling on the "36" in 1936P-1DO-004 is extremely minor, and could well be beyond identification on a heavily circulated coin. It's the lack of clear doubling on the "D" in GOD that makes me doubt that this coin is 1936P-1DO-004.

That said, the closeup photo of "O" in ONE and "C" in CENT is interesting. I see what looks like the 1936P-1DO-004 markers, the west-east die scratch from "E" of EPU through just above the center of the "O" in ONE and the SW-NE gouge from the bottom inside curl of the "C" in CENT. The die polishing marks near the "CE" of CENT are very weak, but are at least oriented in the right direction.

It's certainly possible that the reverse matches the reverse of 1936P-1DO-004, but the obverse die is not the 1936P-1DO-004 obverse. An obverse die swap would explain that.

One way to rule 1936P-1DO-004 out would be a closeup of Lincoln's shoulder, VDB, and the rim. There should be a die crack just west of the "V" in VDB, extending to the rim on a 1936P-1DO-004. Here's the area in question:



If there isn't the diagnostic die crack, 1936P-1DO-004 is definitely out.

Also, about 1DO-004:

The doubling is not visible (again the date is damaged, we can't really tell what's damage or slight doubling and I can't see it on the picture of LIBERTY) and the strong die scratch at GOD is not there. I don't think it's likely.

Her are zoomed DDO-013 pics fom VV and Coppercoins side by side and zoomed. Note red arrows show same die marks and white arrows show doubling seems the same.

Do click on the pic to make it larger as the doubling is evident in a larger format. I believe the camera angle makes the doubling look more prominent on the VV pic.

I been watching this thread. I really see you guys have listened to what I've said about seeing the description box.


ALso reasoning on other examples and coming to the conclussions. But just getting in on this one, I'll take a look to see if anything was missed and get back.

Back again. It does look like a normal coin with Machine Doubling. On the Machine Doubling note how the devices are reduced on the 'U' on trust. But you guys really impressed me. You guys are really becoming coin detectives. That is way a coin family should work. Always ready to help out our brothers and sisters. Great job. Even though the coin was not a doubled die, I feel all have benefited from this learning experience. You all get an 'A' for the great effort.

Machine Doubling can happen on normal and doubled die coins. Why? Because the same event can happen to the dies during the strike. On the big 1969-S Doubled die cents a very large percentage of them have Machine Doubling. It is harder to find the ones that don't have it on that less then 100 coin doubled die event.

Note the yellow arrows. So if the coin has Machine Doubling and is not a doubled die, the machine caused the MD. If they die was hub doubled and there is Machine Doubling and the doubled die, the machine caused the Machine Doubling. So it can happen on both die events. But Machine Doubling is not a doubled die, the doubling is on the die, thus the term 'Doubled Die'. Doubled dies are called a die variety because the die was not hubbed correctly. They are rare to find. Normal die are very common. Machine Doubling can look different from strike to strike:

These are examples I got from OBW rolls. Note the MD was different on each example posted. MD is caused after the strike with movement on the way upon hammer dies or side by side movement even on anvil dies. Larger coins are more often affected by MD. Look at reverses of quarters, halves and large dollars.