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Old Fake 1855 Seated Liberty

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 Posted 09/24/2019  10:13 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coins92 to your friends list
Seems to be made out of a tin alloy.
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 Posted 09/24/2019  10:14 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add GrapeCollects to your friends list
I have no clue either, I don't typically collect fakes, but this just seems so cool. Some seated expert will see this and come along.
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 Posted 09/24/2019  11:32 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coins92 to your friends list
Also know it came from a collection of someone who pieced it together 40-50 years ago.
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 Posted 09/25/2019  12:45 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add moxking to your friends list
Is it heavy enough to be lead? If so it's probably poured.

I agree that it's neat. I'm not thinking it's contemporary as it's too bad to pass.
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 Posted 09/25/2019  01:24 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coins92 to your friends list
Not lead. Weighs less than a real seated liberty.
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 Posted 09/25/2019  10:31 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add IndianGoldEagle to your friends list
Could be pot metal that has been in the ground for many years.
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 Posted 09/25/2019  5:24 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coins92 to your friends list
Any value to this piece?
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 Posted 09/25/2019  7:52 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add t360 to your friends list
Looks similar to contemporary fakes of French ecus. These were often base metal with silver plating that lost the silvering over time.
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 Posted 09/25/2019  9:44 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add fortcollins to your friends list
The metal very likely is Sb (antimony).

You may want to submit the photos to the Liberty Seated Collectors Club for their contemporary counterfeit archive.

Contemporary counterfeits are collectible, and several well-known dealers have studied them for years. They may be good resources on running this one down for you.

EDIT: A specific gravity test would confirm or rule out antimony very quickly. U.S. coin silver (.900 Ag, .100 Cu) is 10.34 +/- tolerance and specific gravity of elemental antimony is 6.74.
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 Posted 09/26/2019  8:33 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add muddyknuckles to your friends list
Any chance there is any grading company that would do the required tests and slab it as a contemporary counterfeit?
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 Posted 10/24/2019  11:06 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add steelheadwill to your friends list
Comgrats coins92,

Imo, your ccf is a more desirable find than the finest condition Dug 'Regal Issue'.
I've been searching and researching a particular NH boatyard f
or years,
apparently the locals made up their own pocket change from GII ha'pennies right up to Shield nickels.
Also found were two carefully made coin impressions in lead sheet.
I often find cancelled (hammered, scored or holed) examples near the bridges enroute to the nearby towns
Tollkeepers knew their coins, back then anyway
Had a dozen examlpes xrf'ed a while back, all were a mix of tin, lead antimony, and other metals, one had almost 4% gold, go figure.
Judging by the seemingly random alloys, they were made with whatever was on hand for scrap.
Examples w lead as a minor constituent look quite similar to your recovery, was it recovered anywhere near salt water?
(real or fake, that salt effects coin metal far from the shoreline)
As with dug pewter buttons, they can be unstable after recovery,
Sometimes ill paint em w slightly diluted white glue, without treatment,
Ive had them literally turn to dust in storage
here's a high tin GII (GLUED), for comparison.
You just never know what you might dig up next,
I just love detecting, and collecting, and learning
Thanks for posting that beauty, millions of regals struck, with relatively few fakes. HH.



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 Posted 10/25/2019  07:54 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add JJuliano to your friends list
Just for my edification as a novice, can someone explain what they see(in the devices) as it being a counterfeit? Thanks. I see it being a metal detector find with heavy corrosion - which would explain a low weight.
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 Posted 10/25/2019  11:32 am  Show Profile   Check nss-52's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add nss-52 to your friends list

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can someone explain what they see(in the devices) as it being a counterfeit?
It was stated that it could be easily bent. Even in a corroded state, a genuine coin wouldn't bend easily.
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 Posted 10/26/2019  06:22 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add JJuliano to your friends list
Missed that. Thanks NSS
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 Posted 10/26/2019  09:00 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add trdhrdr007 to your friends list
When I saw this coin it immediately reminded me of a couple of coins I bought on ebay back in the day(2007). From the sellers (bad) pictures it looked like the coins were corroded. In hand it was immediately obvious they were fakes. Seriously underweight and made of some sort of pot metal that could be bent relatively easily. I ended up getting refunded. Anyway, I searched the archives for the thread. The coins were not quite what I remembered. I don't believe they were contemporary counterfeits but I don't think they were recently made either. Here's a link to the thread: http://goccf.com/t/18703&whichpage=...chTerms=half
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