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It is actually the size of an ordinary nickel only it has been struck in copper stock. But yes uploading pics
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I responded to your duplicate post. There's no need for that. Keep it to one thread and we will respond in time.  In Memory of Crazyb0 12-26-1951 to 7-27-2020
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It is just environmental damage. Looks like it spent time in the ground.
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@mrhenry, if this coin is the same size and weight as a normally-struck nickel, then the best explanation for the color is environmental exposure (not an off-metal strike).
"If you climb a good tree, you get a push."
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 - it spent time in the ground and is discolored. Take a look at my other hobby ... http://www.jk-dk.art |
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If it was struck on a cent planchet it would be smaller than a five cent piece and would weigh 2.5 grams, This coin clearly isn't smaller so we can reject that possibility.
If it was struck on cent STOCK, it would be the same diameter as a five cent piece, but since the cent stock in thinner than cent stock the weight will be less. For copper cent stock it would be about 3.5 grams. HOWEVER this is a 1985 nickel and at that time the cent was copper plated zinc not copper so there was no copper cent stock at the mint, so the weight would be 2.8 grams. But then there is another problem. The mint was supplied with cent planchets by an outside supplier, there was no cent stock of any kind at the Mint in 1985 so it CAN'T be struck on cent stock. (The mint wasn't striking coins for other countries anymore either so it isn't a foreign planchet or stock.)
So it can't be on a cent planchet and it can't be on cent stock, and it has that ground find look to it. Environmental damage.
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Well, it appears my much more substantive post was deleted with the duplicate topic instead of being merged. In any case, I basically said what Conder101 did above regarding the supply of stock and planchets. I can also link to (again) a very similar-looking nickel I found a while back if it would be helpful.
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The mint was supplied with cent planchets by an outside supplier, there was no cent stock of any kind at the Mint in 1985 so it CAN'T be struck on cent stock. I agree with you and love your explanations and knowledge. But at first glance, this statement seems contradictory to itself, but I'm sure the confusion has more to do with my mind. Are you saying the mint couldn't have punched out nickel planchets from cent stock (sheets)? Thanks in advance Words of encouragement are one of the major food groups.
We need to consume them regularly to thrive and grow.
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Yes. The planchets are cut/setup/plated before they reach the mint. Also the weights are different and devices would be over the edge of the planchet as mentioned. The coin is a metal detector find and turned that color. Carry it in your pocket for a time and what the higher devices turn back to the normal silver color. The color will also turn black colored in time.   Spendable or take images of it progress as it slowly turns back in color. (images I would appreciate for my educational image files) |
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with all of the above. Environmental damage, no premium. Spend it. |
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Are you saying the mint couldn't have punched out nickel planchets from cent stock (sheets)? Yes, the COPPER cent cent stock was supplied in rolls to the mint and they punched planchets from the stock themselves, but the copper plated cent planchets were supplied to the Mint by Jardan Zinc to the Mint in ready to strike form (blanking for all other denominations takes place at the Mint.). All the stock, and blanking, for cents was done by Jarden in TN. No cent stock after they switched to copper plated zinc was present at the Mint and that switch happened in 1982. So in 1985 when your nickel was made there was NO cent stock at all at the mint. |
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I metal detect and find penny-colored nickels all the time. I even found a 1958 that COULD be a "black beauty" but I knew if I submitted it here, a whole lot of grief and heartache would ensue, because of the fact that I found it in the ground, LOL! 'Nother words, not worth even asking.
But hey Conder since you mentioned foreign coin production, what was the last year we minted coins for any other country? This pertains to another post I made about a Panama dime recently. Apologies to the OP for hijacking; I promise I won't add replies if Conder even answers my question.
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Thanks, Coop and Condor1 for clarifying because I agree with everything you said. (Not my cent tho.) My apologies because I wasn't very clear.
I was trying to clarify for newer members who might not have picked up on the difference between cent stock and cent planchets at the mint. (They do have cent planchets on site, but not the "flat" stock.)
The mint didn't have any cent stock that could have gone through the rolling and cutting process to produce nickel planchets. And since the tops of peripheral details are not missing, this is definitely on a regular nickel-sized planchet.
ps. Jarden Zinc has a great video on their FB page (Dec. 2016 I think) showing the copper plating process and even the burnishing process for proof planchets.
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