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1923-S LWC, Is This A "Mule"? Mis-Matched Dies? Normal Obverse, Waffled Rev

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 Posted 10/16/2020  01:35 am  Show Profile   Check spru's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add spru to your friends list
It's possible it is a post-strike delamination, but I would expect some of the reverse design to show through, even if just a tiny bit. The ridges are fairly regular, as well, leading me to believe that it was intentionally tooled/machined. Maybe someone started to make a Magician's coin and gave up.
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 Posted 10/16/2020  04:46 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add John1 to your friends list
I do not think the mint even waffled coins way back then. It looks like some kind of PMD. Maybe Mike would like to see it?
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 Posted 10/16/2020  4:38 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coop to your friends list
Looks like to me it is a split planchet post strike split off. As mention the obverse is not flatten or damaged. Just a thin layer peeled off the coin. Note how the groved area is not spliting out on the edge. If this were altered, the edge would show the same depth as the deep grooves on the reverse. Nice find.
Split planchets have that look to them:
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 Posted 10/16/2020  4:56 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coinfrog to your friends list
I'm no expert, but isn't that pattern awfully regular for a split planchet?
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 Posted 10/17/2020  1:17 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coop to your friends list
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Note how the edge is not as deep as the trenches? If it was done by machine, then that would not rise near the edge. The compression of the strike on the edge must have prevented this area from not being as shallow as the center as the coin. Also if it were machined, it would be smooth. Not showing pock marks in the affected areas.
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 Posted 10/17/2020  2:07 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Cujohn to your friends list
There is no way this is a split planchet. This was done by grinding. Hence the lite weight. It's to perfect to be a random split. There would be some of the design left ether pre strike or after strike. And as far as one side being left, it wasn't held square to grinder.
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 Posted 10/17/2020  2:19 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coinfrog to your friends list
Seems illogical to me, but I don't argue with coop.
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 Posted 10/17/2020  3:16 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add John1 to your friends list
Where is Mike
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 Posted 10/18/2020  2:26 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Snoopydoo to your friends list
I've sent this coin to Mike for his analysis, will post results when I hear back from him.
Pictures are very hard to review, so an in hand exam by Mike I felt was warranted.
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 Posted 10/18/2020  2:58 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coinfrog to your friends list
Very much looking forward to the reply.
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 Posted 10/18/2020  3:01 pm  Show Profile   Check Tanman2001's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add Tanman2001 to your friends list
The ridges being perfectly even and symmetrical make me doubt this is a split planchet.

The obverse looks suspiciously weak too.
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 Posted 10/19/2020  12:35 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Big-Kingdom to your friends list
I think it was hit with a tile back groove cutting machine along the course of it's life, could also be done with a drainer groove cutter, could have been quite a few tools to do this but I think it was a long while ago in my opinion.

Looks way to mechanical and intentional to be a planchet split or huge lamination.
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 Posted 11/03/2020  10:54 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Snoopydoo to your friends list
Well the word back from Mike Diamond was PMD
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 Posted 11/04/2020  04:35 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add John1 to your friends list
Well then,case solved.
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 Posted 11/04/2020  07:06 am  Show Profile   Check nss-52's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add nss-52 to your friends list
The mint didn't start waffling coins until 2003, according to Coin World.
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