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That is some exceptionally strong Die Deterioration. I don't think I have even seen that die wear pattern so strong. |
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Coop might want that pic for his files. John1  |
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He is welcome to it of course! I have no problem donating pictures to the coop lol
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The area by the motto matches the 'M' area on UNUM. That area looks damaged on the reverse on that area.
On the other side by United to Quarter, the opposite side on near the 'I' on Illinois. Note the rim on that area is also damaged. So this coin was altered post strike. The images help to identify this was the case.
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I don't underatand how it could be altered, there's no damage to the coin that I can see. Not questioning your determination, just stating that I don't understand how you got there. Cool overlays though!
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If anything, the die was altered by die polishing. With these devices on this area being incuse on the coin, the dies devices would be raised. So when polishing happens, the dies were polished over the raised areas of the devices, thus weakening the devices that would be incuse on the coin. Thanks for the extra images, it shows that this happened all around the coins devices, not just on one area. Going back to the Obverse images, The two images of the Motto area on the right side of the obverse, in one image there appears to be a shadow, the other image doesn't show a shadow, but appears to be extreme die wear. Why? Not sure. As the overlay doesn't show any issues of anything clash affecting those areas of the coin. But there doesn't appear to be any hub doubling because that would occur into centers of the designs of both sides. So I'm still left with possible damage to this coin.   CoopHome : How do incuse devices get thinned on coins?Edited by coop
03/12/2021 10:31 am
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Coop, what do you think of it being a soft die?
I strongly disagree with this being damage, fwiw.
Edited by Tanman2001
03/12/2021 10:03 am
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Tanman2001 has it right. soft die that wasn't hardened properly and deforming in use.
Problem is the coin is circulated and the pictures are contrasted? B&W? maybe to show it easier, but it's unnatural for the coin appearance in this color scheme.
I think the circulation is being misunderstood as die wear/deterioration.
Anyways my 2 cents, I think Tanman2001 called it.
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03/12/2021 10:09 am
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For what it's worth, I think it is some kind of die issue. John1 |
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Aging die affected the obverse. Shadows appear in one image and not in another, that tells me it is not a deep as the shadows make us think the affected areas on the obverse is. If it were a soft die, like the 1973 reverses on the cents, the affected areas are deeper into the center of the die that were not hardened enough. On this one, I feel it is just a tired die showing its age. The reverse issue on the devices are a die polishing issue. Just a head scratcher trying to figure that all out. But more than one event can happen on the dies that strikes a coin.
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If it were a soft die, like the 1973 reverses on the cents, the affected areas are deeper into the center of the die that were not hardened enough. That's nearly the exact opposite of what the error-ref article says. The New Hampshire example towards the bottom of the article has identical "shadows" to OP's coin and that's what is being described as a result of a soft die. |
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